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natural hair gets no love in the dominican republic?

***Update 7/13/2009… Two individuals quoted in this article have written letters of protest about the way their comments were construed. Instead of posting the letters here, I am going to provide a link. I read through the letters and did not feel that they took anything away from the main point of the article; that there exists in the Dominican Republic a resistance to being termed African or black. However I do think they are worth reading. Here is the link to the letters.***


This is an article from the Miami Herald that was originally published in June 2007:

Black Denial
By Frances Robles
frobles@miamiherald.com

SANTO DOMINGO — Yara Matos sat still while long, shiny locks from China were fastened, bit by bit, to her coarse hair.

Not that Matos has anything against her natural curls, even though Dominicans call that pelo malo — bad hair.

But a professional Dominican woman just should not have bad hair, she said. “If you’re working in a bank, you don’t want some barrio-looking hair. Straight hair looks elegant,” the bank teller said. “It’s not that as a person of color I want to look white. I want to look pretty.”

And to many in the Dominican Republic, to look pretty is to look less black.

Dominican hairdressers are internationally known for the best hair-straightening techniques. Store shelves are lined with rows of skin whiteners, hair relaxers and extensions.

Racial identification here is thorny and complex, defined not so much by skin color but by the texture of your hair, the width of your nose and even the depth of your pocket. The richer, the “whiter.” And, experts say, it is fueled by a rejection of anything black.

“I always associated black with ugly. I was too dark and didn’t have nice hair,” said Catherine de la Rosa, a dark-skinned Dominican-American college student spending a semester here. “With time passing, I see I’m not black. I’m Latina.

“At home in New York everyone speaks of color of skin. Here, it’s not about skin color. It’s culture.”

The only country in the Americas to be freed from black colonial rule — neighboring Haiti — the Dominican Republic still shows signs of racial wounds more than 200 years later. Presidents historically encouraged Dominicans to embrace Spanish Catholic roots rather than African ancestry.

Here, as in much of Latin America — the “one drop rule” works in reverse: One drop of white blood allows even very dark-skinned people to be considered white.

LACK OF INTEREST

As black intellectuals here try to muster a movement to embrace the nation’s African roots, they acknowledge that it has been a mostly fruitless cause. Black pride organizations such as Black Woman’s Identity fizzled for lack of widespread interest. There was outcry in the media when the Brotherhood of the Congos of the Holy Spirit — a community with roots in Africa — was declared an oral patrimony of humanity by UNESCO. “There are many times that I think of just leaving this country because it’s too hard,” said Juan Rodríguez Acosta, curator of the Museum of the Dominican Man. Acosta, who is black, has pushed for the museum to include controversial exhibits that reflect many Dominicans’ African background. “But then I think: Well if I don’t stay here to change things, how will things ever change?”

A walk down city streets shows a country where blacks and dark-skinned people vastly outnumber whites, and most estimates say that 90 percent of Dominicans are black or of mixed race. Yet census figures say only 11 percent of the country’s nine million people are black.

To many Dominicans, to be black is to be Haitian. So dark-skinned Dominicans tend to describe themselves as any of the dozen or so racial categories that date back hundreds of years — Indian, burned Indian, dirty Indian, washed Indian, dark Indian, cinnamon, moreno or mulatto, but rarely negro.

The Dominican Republic is not the only nation with so many words to describe skin color. Asked in a 1976 census survey to describe their own complexions, Brazilians came up with 136 different terms, including café au lait, sunburned, morena, Malaysian woman, singed and “toasted.”

“The Cuban black was told he was black. The Dominican black was told he was Indian,” said Dominican historian Celsa Albert, who is black. “I am not Indian. That color does not exist. People used to tell me, ‘You are not black.’ If I am not black, then I guess there are no blacks anywhere, because I have curly hair and dark skin.”

THE HISTORY

Using the word Indian to describe dark-skinned people is an attempt to distance Dominicans from any African roots, Albert and other experts said. She noted that it’s not even historically accurate: The country’s Taino Indians were virtually annihilated in the 1500s, shortly after Spanish colonizers arrived.

Researchers say the de-emphasizing of race in the Dominican Republic dates to the 1700s, when the sugar plantation economy collapsed and many slaves were freed and rose up in society.

Later came the rocky history with Haiti, which shares the island of Hispaniola with the Dominican Republic. Haiti’s slaves revolted against the French and in 1804 established their own nation. In 1822, Haitians took over the entire island, ruling the predominantly Hispanic Dominican Republic for 22 years.

To this day, the Dominican Republic celebrates its independence not from centuries-long colonizer Spain, but from Haiti.

“The problem is Haitians developed a policy of black-centrism and . . . Dominicans don’t respond to that,” said scholar Manuel Núñez, who is black. “Dominican is not a color of skin, like the Haitian.”

Dictator Rafael Trujillo, who ruled from 1930 to 1961, strongly promoted anti-Haitian sentiments, and is blamed for creating the many racial categories that avoided the use of the word “black.”

The practice continued under President Joaquín Balaguer, who often complained that Haitians were “darkening” the country. In the 1990s, he was blamed for thwarting the presidential aspirations of leading black candidate José Francisco Peña Gómez by spreading rumors that he was actually Haitian.

“Under Trujillo, being black was the worst thing you could be,” said Afro-Dominican poet Blas Jiménez. “Now we are Dominican, because we are not Haitian. We are something, because we are not that.”

Jiménez remembers when he got his first passport, the clerk labeled him “Indian.” He protested to the director of the agency.

“I remember the man saying, ‘If he wants to be black, let him be black!’ ” Jiménez said.

Resentment toward anything Haitian continues, as an estimated one million Haitians live in the Dominican Republic, most working in the sugar and construction industries. Mass deportations often mistakenly include black Dominicans, and Haitians have been periodically lynched in mob violence. The government has been trying to deny citizenship and public education to the Dominican-born children of illegal Haitian migrants.

When migrant-rights activist Sonia Pierre won the prestigious Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award in 2006, the government responded by trying to revoke her citizenship, saying she is actually Haitian.

“There’s tremendous resistance to blackness — black is something bad,” said black feminist Sergia Galván. ‘‘Black is associated with dark, illegal, ugly, clandestine things. There is a prototype of beauty here and a lot of social pressure. There are schools where braids and natural hair are prohibited.”

Galván and a loosely knit group of women have protested European canons of beauty, once going so far as to rally outside a beauty pageant. She and other experts say it is now more common to see darker-skinned women in the contests — but they never win.

CULTURE PULL

Several women said the cultural rejection of African looking hair is so strong that people often shout insults at women with natural curls.

“I cannot take the bus because people pull my hair and stick combs in it,” said wavy haired performance artist Xiomara Fortuna. “They ask me if I just got out of prison. People just don’t want that image to be seen.”

The hours spent on hair extensions and painful chemical straightening treatments are actually an expression of nationalism, said Ginetta Candelario, who studies the complexities of Dominican race and beauty at Smith College in Massachusetts. And to some of the women who relax their hair, it’s simply a way to have soft manageable hair in the Dominican Republic’s stifling humidity.

“It’s not self-hate,” Candelario said. “Going through that is to love yourself a lot. That’s someone saying, ‘I am going to take care of me.’ It’s nationalist, it’s affirmative and celebrating self.”

Money, education, class — and of course straight hair — can make dark-skinned Dominicans be perceived as more “white,” she said. Many black Dominicans here say they never knew they were black — until they visited the United States.

“During the Trujillo regime, people who were dark skinned were rejected, so they created their own mechanism to fight it,” said Ramona Hernández, Director of the Dominican Studies Institute at City College in New York. “When you ask, ‘What are you?’ they don’t give you the answer you want . . . saying we don’t want to deal with our blackness is simply what you want to hear.”

Hernández, who has olive-toned skin and a long mane of hair she blows out straight, acknowledges she would “never, never, never” go to a university meeting with her natural curls.

“That’s a woman trying to look cute; I’m a sociologist,” she said.

Asked if a black Dominican woman can be considered beautiful in her country, Hernández leapt to her feet.

“You should see how they come in here with their big asses!” she said, shuffling across her office with her arms extended behind her back, simulating an enormous rear-end. “They come in here thinking they are all that, and I think, ‘doesn’t she know she’s not really pretty?’ “

Maria Elena Polanca is a black woman with the striking good looks. She said most Dominicans look at her with curiosity, as if a black woman being beautiful were something strange.

She spends her days promoting a hair straightener at La Sirena, a Santo Domingo department store that features an astonishing array of hair straightening products.

“Look, we have bad hair, bad. Nobody says ‘curly.’ It’s bad,” she said. “You can’t go out like that. People will say, ‘Look at that nest! Someone light a match!’ ”

‘IT WAS HURTFUL’

Purdue University professor Dawn Stinchcomb, who is African American, said that when she came here in 1999 to study African influences in literature, people insulted her in the street.

Waiters refused to serve her. People wouldn’t help Stinchcomb with her research, saying if she wanted to study Africans, she’d have to go to Haiti.

“I had people on the streets . . . yell at me to get out of the sun because I was already black enough,” she said. “It was hurtful. . . . I was raised in the South and thought I could handle any racial comment. I never before experienced anything like I did in the Dominican Republic.

“I don’t have a problem when people who don’t look like me say hurtful things. But when it’s people who look just like me?”
~Miami Herald

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96 Responses to “natural hair gets no love in the dominican republic?”

  1. Gabrielle313 13 July 2009 at 6:17 pm Permalink

    What I find amazing is how the irony of all this is present in my life. My grandmother (considered in the States extremely fai-skinned)is Dominican born and moved to the States, had my mother who was teased in the South about being light so much she married and had children with the darkest man she could find here in the States- my Daddy ;0) Later it was me visiting Dominican salons here that I was told my hair was "Not that bad"- her exact words and I could get away with just blowing my hair out, not relaxing it. Ironically she planted the seed for me to go natural. I ditched the salons, relaxers, and flat irons and fell in love with my "not that bad" curly hair!! My grandmother hates it, my mother loves it. I'm trying to get her to love hers just as much and undo some of the damage (self hatred) that was instilled in her as a child.

  2. serenissima 13 July 2009 at 9:40 pm Permalink

    Whoa boy… This is a loaded topic for me. I have a lot of Dominican friends and a Dominican girlfriend, and race has definitely played a major part in these relationships. A lot of my girlfriends friends, who are Spanish, dislike me because I'm Black and not light skinned (even though I'm partially redeemed by my 'good' hair smh).

    My gf and I also had a major breakup over race, and some nasty opinions she used to have about Black girls, which culminated in her telling me I wasn't 'really' Black. Needless to say, I set her straight! And I feel like being with me teaches her more and more everyday that these color lines are ignorant and stupid.

    Dominicans have a lot of racial issues and self-hatred, that run as deep as those with Blacks. We have a lot of the same problems, and it's just sad the kinds of attitudes prevalent in this article and in DR.

  3. Anonymous 13 July 2009 at 11:28 pm Permalink

    *Sigh*
    Bglh are you aware Dr. Hernandez published a rebuttal to this insisting she was severly misquoted in this slanted article?
    I am familiar with Dr. Hernandez and her work supports her assertion. She has tried unsuccessfully for years to bury this distorted article and those quotes attributed to her. I would encourage you all to look deeper before breaking out the pitchforks.
    In fairness, I think the rebuttal should also be posted. This article is really villifying.

  4. Black girl with long hair 14 July 2009 at 12:38 am Permalink

    @ anonymous 7:28 p.m. … no. i wasn't aware of that. i will publish it if i find it. do you know a link?

  5. Shandra E...*the misses 14 July 2009 at 1:11 am Permalink

    wow….I'm reminded of a girl i grew up with; her last name was Martinez & her first name was something "spanish" as well! However, before she opened her mouth & before anyone knew her name….every black girl in the class assumed she was a foriegn African girl who didn't speak English! We had a few things right: she was "foriegn", she didn't speak English….but once she learned how…She made sure we all knew SHE WAS NOT BLACK, instead she was "LATINA"?? MAN were we so lost!!! She's actually a Belizian who looks mOre "AFRICAN" american than most black girls i know!!! & spanish happened to be her native language!! So i said all that to say, it doesn't even stop in the U.S, Haiti or Dominican Republic…there are "African descendants" all across the globe in denial, & ashamed of who they are?! & It's really sad as it only Magnifies the common thread of History we all truely share….How is it that EVERYONE who looks "black" (or better yet everyone period) seems to hate being black…yet no one can be satisfied with their identity/cultural background….seems like the human race is facing an Identity crisis to me!!! Like goodness, we all came from Africa….lol…YES i went There!!! i'm so SICK of all this madness….

    just because one black person eats tortillas while the other grubs on corn bread or just because one pales in comparison when acknowledging skin tones, DOES NOT mean one is any more white or less black than the other!!! perhaps it only means, one is farther from the TRUTH……and SERIOUSLY, i just HATE that even matters??!! obnoxious….

    thanks for posting this…"Good" read!!

  6. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 2:59 am Permalink

    You know…i had a lot of dominicans friends and quite a few family members by marriage that are dominican. I myself am haitian. When I read how they treat haitians and how much self hatred that they have it makes me sick to my stomach,

    @ LIVING Golden…You would be surprised many of us are well informed on DR and President Trujillo OR THE "Parsley Massacre"
    and are still sickend by the Dominican mentality. I am not giving a sympathy pass I will leave that to you. I went to a Dominican's friends home and he was a male. His mother was so rude to me because she thought I was her sons girlfriend and he later on explained to me why his dark skin mother was upset. she wants him to marry a Rubia to purify the family and she thought I was his girlfriend. I am outraged by how Dominicans treat Haitians and how insulting they are to me a black women and no i am not going to try and understand because this is the exact mentallity that has the little girls in my classroom crying to me saying that they hate their skin and my neice telling me she wants hair like Hannah Montana. I remain sickend by this mentality and I wont apologize for it. I tell that to my Dominican friends when the say something offensive or say but you are not really black ( tell that to Trujillo ). The hatred that you want to give a pass to is all over You TUbe. They are spreading this disease..so you give them a pass and say oh its not their fault its circumstance. The have Dominican actually saying long live Hitler because of President Trujillo. and I think to myself, If Hitler was alive you would be one of the dead ones. no I am not giving out passes or showing sympathy because of what they endured hell Haitians endured so much more and aint nobody giving us a pass No one even acknowledges what going on in that country. I find this ignorance offensive and I am outraged by the Dominican mentallity. A Dominican in spain would never be welcomed…the spanish would yell out IBAROS (I MAY HAVE SPELLED IT WRONG) MEANING CONQUEROR. My sister in law tried to pull that ish on us saying she was indian and spanish. This Domincian girl looks like the women on this blog, my sister has a curlier texture of hair than she does and is a proud Haitian but my sister in law is dominican (spanish and indian)with no drop of African blood. I told her than how come she does not look like a lot of south americans. that have the spanard and indeginous mix. No answer
    i am not attacking anyone just simply sharing my point of view.

    @ Lady….beautifully said… I manage my hair just fine!!!!

  7. jenteel 14 July 2009 at 11:44 am Permalink

    @ anonymous – July 13, 2009 7:28 p.m:

    i appreciate your respect for journalistic standards, but the article was simply posted as is. this is a natural hair blog that often ties in natural hair to culture. even if ms. hernandez's quotes were edited out (which would not have been acceptable to do), the article would have still been inflammatory to a majority of BGLH readers. honestly, these sentiments are not so foreign in the dominican republic. many have also commented on their personal experiences.

    in regards to ethnic groups/nationalities discussed on this blog, we discussed some of these same issues in regards to nigeria: http://blackgirllonghair.blogspot.com/2009/04/sunday-retrospectives-natural-not-hot.html

    our aim at BGLH is never to "vilify" any one individual or ethnic group. our aim is to draw attention to the worldwide issues towards acceptance of natural hair by individuals of african descent.

  8. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 12:43 pm Permalink

    @Shandra E…, in many countries, including many in the Caribbean where I was born and raised, black is not simply defined by color. In the US, a person with any black ancestry is black because black folk in this country insist on sticking with one-drop makes you black. We like to blame that on white folk, but we're the ones insisting on carryng that idea forward. Black folk in the US also like to dictate how the rest of the world is supposed to view blackness. In the Caribbean, there is a term "doogla" or "dougla" depending on the country. The term means mixed, usually black and east indian. Many of these people are dark-skinned but they're considered mixed because in the Caribbean, at least in my experience, mixtures are acknowledged and do not depend on skin color. So a darker-skinned person with indian mother and black father, for example, is mixed no matter how dark their skin. I've never understood the US insistence on claiming only one side of your parentage. Take Tiger Woods for example. I still don't get the outrage over his not referring to himself as black. He's not. He's mixed. To refer to himself as black is to distance himself from his mother. Why should he have to make that choice.

    The issues within the black diaspora will not go away easily as long as we continue to argue and bicker amongst ourselves. Responding in anger to a person who is lost in terms of identity will never bring that person over to your point of view and painting an entire community with one brush without taking time to get to know each person one on one to get an understanding of their story will never bring about unity.

    Can we get back to what this blog is supposed to be about – lifting each other up and encouraging each other on our natural journey. We know everyone won't get it and everyone won't appreciate it, but who cares?

  9. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 1:43 pm Permalink

    Rebuttal link;
    This was also mentioned on afrobella:
    http://clutchmagonline.com/newsgossipinfo/black-denial-response-did-the-miami-herald-have-an-agenda/

    Jenteel,
    It's not about challending journalistic integrity (I don't have much faith in that anyway lol) BUT when you publish an article with direct quotes that portrays a woman of color, an educator, a Dominicana as essentially a racist that's serious. This article is OLD, and when I read it long ago I was out raged. It was incredibly easy to find, correspond with, and speak with Dr. Hernandez concerning it. I wont post our personal correspondence, but her scholarly publication record and my interactions with her are in complete opposition to how she was portrayed in this article.

    The intent of this article may not be to villify, but every time this article pops up on a blog or forum you get a cadre of women stating they will never visit the DR and spouting all types of hate speech at Dominicans. Guess what most of the world is in "black denial" since the origins of all man are of Africa. Can we stop making other people of color the scapegoats for the ravages of white supremacy?

  10. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 2:06 pm Permalink

    Guys, there are tons or articles, videos etc on the web about the blossoming civil rights movement throughout Latin America. This article was just one point of view. Check some of those out and let's move on.

  11. Black girl with long hair 14 July 2009 at 2:20 pm Permalink

    @ anonymous 9:43 and 10:06 … If either one of you could do a guest post about the growing civil rights movement in the Dominican Republic, I would love it!

    Or if you could direct me to any articles about it. As long as they mention/address the issue of hair, it would be a great fit for the blog.

    As J said, the aim is not to villify but to educate. This article was sent to me by a BGLH reader who followed our discussion on natural hair in Nigeria, and felt this was somewhat related.

    It seems other people have read this article (it is pretty old, but still relevant), but I didn't know about it until it was sent to me recently.

    I certainly don't want to paint one side of a picture. If a reader had sent an article about civil rights in the DR, as it related to skin and hair, I definitely would have posted that too. If those resources exist, please let me know.

  12. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 2:35 pm Permalink

    @BGLH, to begin with, there are other articles in the same link for the article you posted (e.g. http://www.miamiherald.com/multimedia/news/afrolatin/part1/index.html) that talk about other aspects of the struggle. One thing I think a lot of people outside of Latin America don't understand is the fact that Latin American governments for a very long time (and only now slowly changing) wouldn't even acknowledge the black population. Imagine living in a country where your race isn't even acknowledged, much less counted in the cencus, by your own goverment. I've read a lot of articles on this subject, most at least 2 years old. If I can find recent information, I'll post.

  13. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 3:29 pm Permalink

    For anyone who is interested, here are a few articles/videos I enjoyed. Even the older ones are still relevant today as not much has changed in Latin America.

    - http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/brazil-in-black-and-white/introduction/965/

    - http://www.livinginperu.com/news/8007 (Peru by the way is considered to be one of the worst when it comes to discrimination towards blacks. Also check out http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/17/world/for-blacks-in-peru-there-s-no-room-at-the-top.html. It's very old, but well-written. I've found it difficult to find updated information on Peru, so if anyone else can recommend books/articles, that would be great.)

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBNUOsrIiAs (If you watch this, you can find other links to other stories about racism in Latin America)

    - http://blogs.nypost.com/tempo/archives/2007/08/racism_in_latin.html

    - http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=7b4ef8e52790034e043a37d170243f0f

    - http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45320

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB_VpEUsyX0 (Great story on a woman who believes she can become the first black president of Costa Rica)

  14. Black girl with long hair 14 July 2009 at 4:15 pm Permalink

    @ Anonymous… thanks for the links. I'll look through them and see if anything is appropriate to post.

    This blog is about hair, and I think it's one of the reasons the article above is really unique and fits well with BGLH.

    If any of the information/links you've provided touch on the issue of hair as it relates to civil rights/liberation, then I'll be sure to put it up.

    Thanks for sending them!

  15. His Daughter 14 July 2009 at 4:43 pm Permalink

    i can't help it, this kind of hate, ignorance, and self-loathing just makes me cry. God made us each to be different, everything in this world is diverse, y can't we accept each other, and love each other?

  16. serenissima 14 July 2009 at 5:54 pm Permalink

    At anonymous 10:35

    That was the US throughout history and up to 50 years ago, in the discrimination against Blacks. The ignorance was not ignored or pardoned; it was picketed and protested until changes were made.

    But as far as I can tell, Dominicans are the ones embracing and perpetuating the cycle. It's not just this one article, which so many commenters seem to want to vilify. It's every day.

    My girlfriend, who was raised in DR, totally agreed when I showed her this article. She recalled memories of working in her fathers store, in Washington Heights, NY, where 60 % of Dominican immigrants to the US settle, and listening to them talk about Black people.

    And the drunker they got, the worse they talked. 'Black people are ugly. They're mean. They stink. In DR, they're just our workers.' And the worst part is, her fathers side of the family is darker than me! He's the only 'White' one.

    My gf also has a friend who constantly mentions my being Black. Whenever my gf can hang out with her, she immediately complains how she's blowing her off to hang with me and my Black friends. The friend in question has hair curlier than mine, that she perms and bleaches blonde every three weeks. (It hasnt grown past her chin in the three years that I've known her, btw.)

    My point is, it's not about this one article and whether or not this woman was misquoted. I live in a Dominican household, I've spent a summer living in DR with friends (not at a resort, but IN DR, at friends houses in Santiago) and the skin color and hair issues are just as real as they ever were. And they won't change until Dominicans stop making excuses, step up to the plate and realize it's wrong.

  17. serenissima 14 July 2009 at 5:59 pm Permalink

    And one more thing: the bleach blonde, perked and blown out Dominican is so prevalent in New York City there's even a name for them: Pharmacy Blondes (the actual saying is in Spanish, but i can't think of how it goes)

  18. Amber 14 July 2009 at 6:17 pm Permalink

    you see sh*t like this makes me want to raise hell, it erupts some type of anger inside of me. this isn't with just dominicans though, my dad's mother is venezuelan (which is also a spanish country) and they are quite racist as well. Therefore I choose not to identify with them plain and simple ! Nor do I go to dominican salons because I remember going there 2 years ago and they dissed my natural hair saying i needed a perm. Now I was in hs and didnt know any better so I let them do it and bam there went my beautiful kinks down the drain. Since then I've been trying to grow it back to it's original length. But atleast I am older now and I've been back natural for hmmmm about a year now and I am not looking back :)

  19. serenissima 14 July 2009 at 6:46 pm Permalink

    Sorry guys… Where it says 'perked' in my comment, it's supposed to say 'permed'

  20. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 6:58 pm Permalink

    Why is sharing your feeling on the matter a negative thing! We are suppose to negate the fact that this is happening. No I am not bashing Dominican (like they bash me) but why cant we get together and discuss issues like this. I think dialogue is powerful and healing. You will get some bashers but thats how they feel. I commend BGLH for always talking about political issues. We also discuss the natural hair in Nigeria and how its viewed negatively. Why are we aloud to share how we feel about what going on in DR. You really think thats this article is going to make people boycott the county and not visit please! I have been to DR and was treated better than Dominicans in the US has treated me but I wont return until they stop bashing Haitians. Call me what you want say what you like. I am just expressing myself and thats my right!

  21. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 7:05 pm Permalink

    @ serenissima

    YES, they post hate messages about blacks and hatians in their papers and even all over youtube so to this sister saying stop bashing Dominican and no blacks in the world want to claim black… they are bashing black folks all over the internet. So you should leave that same comment on yoou tube.

    Love this blog! great topic!

  22. Anonymous 14 July 2009 at 8:19 pm Permalink

    I am loving this post and I find this issue to be a very serious and disturbing matter. I am happy for sites like this one that people from other countries can access and see the positive images of black women with natural hair. I know that this may be off topic but living in Miami I encounter a lot of different cultures and I find that not only dominicans have a seperatist (sp)attitude but so do the haitians. I hang with a lot of haitian people and they tend to seperate themselves from "american blacks" (even though many of them were born and raised in america). I find that a lot of different carribean groups have negative attitudes toward "american blacks" and I find this to be quite disturbing. This will be a great topic to have here on the site and I would be glad to comment.I want to say so much more but I hsave to go. Much love Bri

  23. The Fashionstar 14 July 2009 at 8:50 pm Permalink

    I'd never heard about the Dominican blow-outs until I began reading another hair blog for about 2 or 3 yrs. And the writer would always talk about how she gets a Dominican blow-out between touch-ups because they do a good job at straightening.

    I now see why they do such a great job. I know in America we still have a lot of hair issues but these people in this article are having a full-on identity crisis. I think it's a damn shame, but it shows how damaging the whole institution of slavery has been on so many levels.

    It's very sad, & I just hope some of the Black people who are proud of their heritage choose to stay & represent. Hopefully there will come a time when we can all appreciate and value all of the different cultures & races this planet offers, rather than viewing one as better and another as ugly or something to be ashamed of. Oy vey!

  24. Anonymous 15 July 2009 at 12:30 pm Permalink

    @anon, the distance between American blacks and blacks from other parts of the diaspora is disturbing and goes both ways. I've been in rooms and listened as American blacks went on and on about "those foreigners" even though they knew I was one of "those foreigners." When they'd remember, they's say "Oh, I don't mean you of course." There seems to be a lot of mistrust and misunderstanding between various groups. I too would like to see it go away.

  25. G 16 July 2009 at 2:52 am Permalink

    This is so sad but true. And as far as denying your race. Something that always stands out in my mind is the Black Dominican man that I used to work with who stated "I could tell anyone that I'm Black and they'd believe me. But I'm not Black. I'm Dominican. *blank stare*

  26. Anonymous 16 July 2009 at 3:52 pm Permalink

    Honestly I get it…I'm Black…to me, if I say that, that means that I'm an American, and basically all I know about my history and my heritage is that my skin is dark and that I KNOW I'm not white…if Dominicans who have dark skin want to clarify them being Dominican versus black, I understand…they know their history, ancestry, and really have a totally different culture and upbringing than those of the same skin color who were born, raised and grew up in America..think about it. No one says anything to our Caucasian friends who say they are German or Russian…?? We don't shout out to them, "you're white!!!"…now do I agree with the idea that Black is bad…not even, but as far as people giving themselves a title, leave em alone…I say I'm Black with tons of pride…

  27. Izzy 16 July 2009 at 8:42 pm Permalink

    RACE/ETHNICITY=Black (of African descent)
    NATIONALITY=Dominican. I don't see the two being interchangeable. Just because someone chooses to self-identify with one doesn't mean they are not the other, but seeing how most blacks are treated, portrayed, and/or the quality of life afforded to many, can ya blame someone for seeing an opportunity to disassociate and then jumping on it? Would I do so? God, I hope not, but apparently it isn't a question of pride for those that do–it's survival. The whole system is SEVERELY screwed up. This is a useful discussion, but we need to address the underlying problem. Who's brave enough to do so? Who CARES enough to do so? Who's gonna call a spade a spade (forgive the choice of words)and stop this foolishness at the individual level? Is it a question of 'it ain't my problem, so I don't care'? Wherever you stand on the issue, stand proudly–say what you mean and mean what you say.

  28. Wildfiyah 20 July 2009 at 1:15 am Permalink

    funnily enough, i'm spending my summer working on the haiti vs. dominican republic case before the inter-american human rights court. solange pierre is one of the plaintiffs/victims. the situation in the d.r. is deep…and it all goes back to self-hatred and racism…

  29. Anonymous 22 July 2009 at 1:05 am Permalink

    The issues within the black diaspora will not go away easily as long as we continue to argue and bicker amongst ourselves. Responding in anger to a person who is lost in terms of identity will never bring that person over to your point of view and painting an entire community with one brush without taking time to get to know each person one on one to get an understanding of their story will never bring about unity.

    Thank you poster. That "they bash us lets bash them mentality" is pointless and counter productive. It is part of the reason that truly liberated pan-africanism can not take a foothold in our society. Whether you are African America,African Carribean, Afro-Latina or any mixture thereof we share a common struggle. This article is more divide and conquer bs and we as people of color fall for it every time. I can respect the personal experiences of other but they are indeed just that- personal! They are not a fair representation of Dominicans as a whole anymore than an ignorant rapper is a representation of all African Americans.

    Also, how can you say it doesn't matter if the lady was misquoted when some people are using those same quotes to support their positions that Dominicans are in black denial? That's silly.At the very least the misrepresentation of her interview speaks to the inflammatory slant of the article.

    Get it together black/brown people.

  30. Anonymous 22 July 2009 at 5:13 am Permalink

    @ anonymous July 21, 2009 9:05 PM
    Get it together? For responding and sharing our thoughts on something that is happening beyond the article. I hear it when I USED TO get a blow out. This article did not tell me something new…go on youtube..speak to a dominican and tell them to get it together and let us converse and share our thoughts without being told to get it together!!!!!!

  31. Anonymous 23 July 2009 at 2:11 pm Permalink

    Anonymous 7/22 1:13 wrong context. Get it together as in show some solidarity as people of color.. You can express any thoughts you want as can I. I surely won't be basing my opinions and experiences of Dominicans on racist youtube comments nor should anyone. I have known many people from DR, Brazil, Ecuador. etc and they are as varied in their opinions and issues with colorism and hairism as African Americans. I used to get my hair pressed by an old lady from the South and the comments were just as rank and foul so what is the problem here that Dominicans should be singled out for their "black denial."

    To "get it together" in the context that YOU used it would require people of color to open a dialogue that is not only based on honesty but compassion. I see a lot of venting in here but very little compassion for the struggle for identity across the diaspora and recognition of our common ground. That's a gerbil wheel its time to get off if progress is going to be made.

    I repeat- get it together black and brown people i.e. focus on UNITY not finger pointing.

  32. Anonymous 23 July 2009 at 10:21 pm Permalink

    @ Anonymous July 23, 2009 10:11 AM:

    Thank you very much for your post, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. As a Dominican young woman, I have to say that I am not comfortable with the direction this conversation is taking. I take offense to the general accusations being made here. Is there racism in the Dominican Republic? Yes. Is there a hair issue? Yes. Do we all think the same? Absolutely not. I can also say that I've been discriminated against by black (non-latino) people–more so than by white people. In addition, I didn't know any other black woman with natural hair until a couple of years ago! I have not, nor do I plan to, perpetuate that negativity by judging all black (non-latino) people with the same ruler, however.

    With regards to the whole "I'm not black, I'm Dominican" issue:
    I basically grew up in the Bronx and I've uttered the same phrase from time to time. By "black" I have meant "African American", so I'm not referring to the race. It doesn't fall in line with the definitions, I know, but that's how I, and most other people I know, have meant it. Conversely, in instances when I don't disclose my nationality and someone has asked, they themselves have said "Oh, I thought you were black." I've stopped saying that, though, and people (including my co-workers, who are white), have gotten confused when I've said I'm black (and I usually have to explain).

    As for the culture issue, the Dominican culture and history are very complex, and I cannot do it justice here. All I can say is that Americans (in general) can take many things for granted, such as the concept of equality, etc. There are certain things you can't do in other countries, such as protesting and battling the status quo, without a price. I'm certainly not saying the Civil Rights Movement came easily, but the after-effects of dictatorship and repression of certain liberties can still be felt in the DR.

    Sorry for being long-winded–All I'm saying is, let's try to understand each other and let's have a dialogue without pointing fingers. It is a sad situation, and it is not unique to the Dominican Republic.

  33. Anonymous 23 July 2009 at 10:34 pm Permalink

    @ serenissima:
    "And one more thing: the bleach blonde, perked and blown out Dominican is so prevalent in New York City there's even a name for them: Pharmacy Blondes (the actual saying is in Spanish, but i can't think of how it goes)"

    Just to clarify–The term is "mujer de farmacia", and it is used to describe ANY WOMAN that's fake–whether it's fake hair, fake nails, fake hair color (that you could buy at a pharmacy). It's not just used to describe Dominican women who do it. It was a term made popular in a merengue in the '90's…I forget who sings it. Anyway, wrong use of the term.

  34. serenissima 24 July 2009 at 1:48 am Permalink

    All of my comments are based on my opinion, thanks… I'm just going to leave it at that

  35. serenissima 24 July 2009 at 2:01 am Permalink

    Pharmacy BLONDES where I live are also pharmacy BLONDES… Not pharmacy fakes. In the context it's used in my neighborhood and between the Dominicans I know, it means permed and bleach blonde- not simply fake. But yet
    again, that's my experience. While, of course, I appreciate the opinions and points of others, and don't presume to assume that ALL Dominicans are the same, none of your comments can change my experience in DR or my day to day in New York City, which is what I shared in my comments.

  36. Chaz_Turner 28 July 2009 at 7:00 pm Permalink

    Wow.. this hits home. I am Haitian american & I grew up in South FL. I remember going to school with a few dominican kids.. I remember one occasion, I was about 13 yrs old & they were probably around the same age. Anyway, we were on the bus and the bus driver called out to this dominican kid and said "Hey black boy" or something like that to get his attn. This kid got sooo angry. I remember him walking home and talking about how he's NOT black. And this kid was Morris Chestnut's skin complexion. I was confused and didn't quite understand the dislike to be black. I remember a few other times in my life where hispanics in general have discussed or argued that they were hispanics. This is actually going on in my own family. My 14 yr old cousin, who's a lighter skinned girl, has recently become infatuated w/ "not getting too dark".. as if being darker skinned is not beautiful. This saddens me…

  37. Anonymous 3 August 2009 at 2:21 am Permalink

    Honestly, it's somewhat true. But that's an exaggeration. Big butts, are not an issue. As a girl lacking one despite the whole Dominican big butt genetic I will tell you from experience it isn't a problem. Dominican men love butts. I think the issue lies with Dominican women having some of the curvies frames in Hispanic America, being downgraded with those killer Haitian curves. I've had guys ask me why I don't have the kind of butt you can put a glass on. I just answer, bad luck. ;3

    Also, in the Dominican Republic, curly hair is not bad, at all. Especially not in the dominican republic. It's seen as something usually beautiful. People always speculate on how gorgeous mine is, and I have EXTREMELY curly hair. So curly it never goes past shoulder length despite it reaching midback when pulled down.

    There is racial tension, that is undeniable. That usually is toward hair that's coarse, and doesn't spring. People there aren't aware of buntu knots and the like. If they saw buntu knots once the knots were out and saw springing curls, they'd label it as "good hair"

    Good hair is well managed curly hair or straight hair. The key word being well managed. Not braided, not straight flat lifeless hair. Good hair is hair that can be well managed. Certain people just don't take an interest to beautify their hair, going towards straightening or braiding. The easier main steam options. My friend of haitian decent raised here came to Dominican Republic with me, I come from a small town called Santiago. People couldn't help but if she's mixed due to her hair. As if black girls couldn't have well managed long hair. The answer is simple shea butter and knots giving her a curly look. It's just not really seen in the DR. If they saw a blog like this with so many options. I think a lot of people in the DR would be astounded. I believe the Miami Herald's article was extreme. Far too extreme. The racial animosity exists, but it isn't settled on just hair. It most likely will be there for sometime. I think it's ironic to expect a welcome to a nation you took over. It's just not done. India still isn't fond of Indian born Indians, or white people. I don't see why Dominican Republic should be any different. As an American I feel saddened by the way they treat haitians, but can sometimes understand the whole "we were on the same boat, why don't they just develop how we did rant"

    I'm sure a lot of people will view this comment as I'm picking sides. But truly, I'm not. I'd love to see Haiti develop as it's own nation, but before that occurs Haitians need to take pride in their own nation. Their looks, and their country.

    I don't know where this journalist got his information from, some of it is honestly bull. I say this as someone who was raised there from a toddler into my teens and goes back frequently.

  38. highcoil 7 August 2009 at 12:48 am Permalink

    It’s time every descendant of an African to take responsibility for their view of their natural beauty and their education as to how to manage it. We all came from some blue-black people, kinky-haired people, right down to our first mother on earth.

    And, now that WE'RE FREE to do so, it’s our job to be acquainted with what works for us to bring out our natural beauty. If you want a real change, then, don’t just look at the sad part.

    I like this blog because it does more than air dirty laundry, it cleans up too.

    Keep showing and revealing to the world how beautiful we are.

    On the other hand, this article, to me, is like the minstrel show gone haywire.

    I didn’t even read it all, because I didn’t want my mind to go there.. I’ll carry my view of African beauty in my walk, in my words, and in how high I hold my natural head up for all to see. I’ll show it off, confidently. More sisters are upholding their own type of beauty above others.

    It’s been effective enough to get these ignorant people questioning themselves. It’s been effective enough to convince the world that big booties are good things, and it will be effective enough to do the same for all other african-features, including dark ebony skin and tightly coiled hair.

    http://www.easycareregimen.blogspot.com/

  39. Deb 28 September 2009 at 4:54 am Permalink

    Hello … I just discovered this blog and though I intend to read everything written about Dominicans' rejection of blackness, I felt compelled to comment now.

    I am a black American woman, with natural hair that I've worked three years to achieve. I am very proud to say my hair is 100 percent natural. I wear it braided, and for added length I use braiding hair that has a natural-hair texture.

    The reason I'm here is to research gender roles in Dominican relationships, which sounds pretty basic. Nevertheless, I'm finding so many interesting dynamics I never dreamed would come into play.

    I've been here three weeks, and I will be here for an indefinite stay.

    Last Friday, I went to a shop to have my hair re-braided, and the process was shocking. At home, the stylist who does my braids specializes in natural hair.

    Here, the woman braiding my hair insisted upon using a blow-dryer to "straighten" my hair. It was so hot I thought my scalp was on fire. Plus, she wanted to use a brush to pull the hair even harder to straighten it.

    In my rudimentary Spanish, I explained to her that I don't want my hair straightened … I merely wanted it braided. Unfortunately, my hair is so straight at the roots, it looks like I've gotten a relaxer.

    My observations thus far, have been that Dominicans do indeed reject blackness. The preference for straight hair and light skin is amazing. Some of the people are darker than me, and claim they are "white." Who am I to disagree with them, so I just shake my head.

    Having been taught to embrace and celebrate my blackness, I am lost on this island that pretends Africa has no historical significance.

  40. Yirssi B. 28 September 2009 at 6:57 pm Permalink

    This is interesting. I am Dominican, and am now considering going natural. NOBODY understands why it's such a big deal for me to do this. Since African American women have at least some history and acceptance of going natural, nobody understands why for me, as a Dominican, it's actually the scariest decission I've every made in my life. I talked a bit about it in my blog post:
    http://www.breakingtheglassceilings.com/2009/09/good-hair.html

  41. snowbird21 12 October 2009 at 3:26 am Permalink

    Currently I am living in the DR and in the process of going natural. It is DIFFICULT as an African-American women. Everyone looks at my skin color and assume I am Haitian – which is not an offense considering the beauty of Haitian people and the Kreyol language – however, when they hear me speaking English without an accent they are confused. Many do not believe me when i tell them I am from the states…It is HARD fro darker skinned Dominicans to realize that they ARE Black – And the hardest part is seeing them not only hate to be the darkest person in the room, but to see them HATE there hair when it is not straightened – a process that not only includes a relaxer, but a painfully HOT blow out. I wish that Black Dominicans could learn to love themselves and to gain knowledge of their heritage .

  42. MORENIQUA 14 November 2009 at 11:26 am Permalink

    “Also, in the Dominican Republic, curly hair is not bad, at all. Especially not in the dominican republic. It’s seen as something usually beautiful. People always speculate on how gorgeous mine is, and I have EXTREMELY curly hair. So curly it never goes past shoulder length despite it reaching midback when pulled down…. Dominican Republic with me, I come from a small town called Santiago. People couldn’t help but if she’s mixed due to her hair. As if black girls couldn’t have well managed long hair. The answer is simple shea butter and knots giving her a curly look.” YOU”RE SO FULL OF IT!!! I JUST came back from studying abroad in Santiago (I attend UW MADISON) and that IS THE MOST RACIST CITY IN THE DR!!!! I am a light skinned Afro-Puerto Rican with “good” hair and you know what they did??? Pressured me to straighten and DYE MY SHIT BLOND EVERY DAY!!! Not only did I bring up issues of racsim with the PUCMM faculty, but I BLOGGED about it as well! Guess what, those fake ass “INDIOS” (yall Black, not no damn Indians, Tainos only exist in the PR mountains!) told me I was exaggerating the fact that Dominicans spit, threw shit, and talked shit about the darker skinned Americans in my class. The only place I like in the Caribbean was CUBA!

    HERE’S MY BLOG ON THE EXPERIENCE—you’ll LOVE it! http://litebritechronicles.blogspot.com/?zx=8b32161ad166555e

  43. MissyD 21 November 2009 at 2:11 pm Permalink

    One of my best friends is a Dominican American. I realized how much self hate was in the Dominican community when he told me that his brother used a relaxer to get rid of his curls. Now when a DUDE goes so far to use a relaxer to make himself look less African, there is a problem.

    I don’t think that my friend and his wife are as color struck because at their wedding it was a rainbow of people there and I know that although he’s only dated Dominican females he has messed with all sorts of girls. So not all Dominicans are this prejudice.

    But I do think that the reactions in this article is nothing short of sad. Slavery is still felt in so many countries amongst so many people. Even here in America, I am a dark skinned African American woman and people are always saying “YOu are such a pretty dark Black girl!!!” Like seeing someone as dark as me who is lovely is something that is surprising. I always take the compliment and thank the person and keep it movin. I know that most people who say that genuinely don’t mean any harm but it just shows peoples mantality.

    The guy who is reamining in DR to change the way of peoples thinking has a long road ahead of him but I still think its noble of him to want to help his people

  44. Burton 11 January 2010 at 3:50 am Permalink

    Van Gogh said it best with “Instead of trying to reproduce exactly what I see before me, I make more arbitrary use of color to express myself more forcefully.”

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