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natural hair gets no love in the dominican republic?

***Update 7/13/2009… Two individuals quoted in this article have written letters of protest about the way their comments were construed. Instead of posting the letters here, I am going to provide a link. I read through the letters and did not feel that they took anything away from the main point of the article; that there exists in the Dominican Republic a resistance to being termed African or black. However I do think they are worth reading. Here is the link to the letters.***


This is an article from the Miami Herald that was originally published in June 2007:

Black Denial
By Frances Robles
frobles@miamiherald.com

SANTO DOMINGO — Yara Matos sat still while long, shiny locks from China were fastened, bit by bit, to her coarse hair.

Not that Matos has anything against her natural curls, even though Dominicans call that pelo malo — bad hair.

But a professional Dominican woman just should not have bad hair, she said. “If you’re working in a bank, you don’t want some barrio-looking hair. Straight hair looks elegant,” the bank teller said. “It’s not that as a person of color I want to look white. I want to look pretty.”

And to many in the Dominican Republic, to look pretty is to look less black.

Dominican hairdressers are internationally known for the best hair-straightening techniques. Store shelves are lined with rows of skin whiteners, hair relaxers and extensions.

Racial identification here is thorny and complex, defined not so much by skin color but by the texture of your hair, the width of your nose and even the depth of your pocket. The richer, the “whiter.” And, experts say, it is fueled by a rejection of anything black.

“I always associated black with ugly. I was too dark and didn’t have nice hair,” said Catherine de la Rosa, a dark-skinned Dominican-American college student spending a semester here. “With time passing, I see I’m not black. I’m Latina.

“At home in New York everyone speaks of color of skin. Here, it’s not about skin color. It’s culture.”

The only country in the Americas to be freed from black colonial rule — neighboring Haiti — the Dominican Republic still shows signs of racial wounds more than 200 years later. Presidents historically encouraged Dominicans to embrace Spanish Catholic roots rather than African ancestry.

Here, as in much of Latin America — the “one drop rule” works in reverse: One drop of white blood allows even very dark-skinned people to be considered white.

LACK OF INTEREST

As black intellectuals here try to muster a movement to embrace the nation’s African roots, they acknowledge that it has been a mostly fruitless cause. Black pride organizations such as Black Woman’s Identity fizzled for lack of widespread interest. There was outcry in the media when the Brotherhood of the Congos of the Holy Spirit — a community with roots in Africa — was declared an oral patrimony of humanity by UNESCO. “There are many times that I think of just leaving this country because it’s too hard,” said Juan Rodríguez Acosta, curator of the Museum of the Dominican Man. Acosta, who is black, has pushed for the museum to include controversial exhibits that reflect many Dominicans’ African background. “But then I think: Well if I don’t stay here to change things, how will things ever change?”

A walk down city streets shows a country where blacks and dark-skinned people vastly outnumber whites, and most estimates say that 90 percent of Dominicans are black or of mixed race. Yet census figures say only 11 percent of the country’s nine million people are black.

To many Dominicans, to be black is to be Haitian. So dark-skinned Dominicans tend to describe themselves as any of the dozen or so racial categories that date back hundreds of years — Indian, burned Indian, dirty Indian, washed Indian, dark Indian, cinnamon, moreno or mulatto, but rarely negro.

The Dominican Republic is not the only nation with so many words to describe skin color. Asked in a 1976 census survey to describe their own complexions, Brazilians came up with 136 different terms, including café au lait, sunburned, morena, Malaysian woman, singed and “toasted.”

“The Cuban black was told he was black. The Dominican black was told he was Indian,” said Dominican historian Celsa Albert, who is black. “I am not Indian. That color does not exist. People used to tell me, ‘You are not black.’ If I am not black, then I guess there are no blacks anywhere, because I have curly hair and dark skin.”

THE HISTORY

Using the word Indian to describe dark-skinned people is an attempt to distance Dominicans from any African roots, Albert and other experts said. She noted that it’s not even historically accurate: The country’s Taino Indians were virtually annihilated in the 1500s, shortly after Spanish colonizers arrived.

Researchers say the de-emphasizing of race in the Dominican Republic dates to the 1700s, when the sugar plantation economy collapsed and many slaves were freed and rose up in society.

Later came the rocky history with Haiti, which shares the island of Hispaniola with the Dominican Republic. Haiti’s slaves revolted against the French and in 1804 established their own nation. In 1822, Haitians took over the entire island, ruling the predominantly Hispanic Dominican Republic for 22 years.

To this day, the Dominican Republic celebrates its independence not from centuries-long colonizer Spain, but from Haiti.

“The problem is Haitians developed a policy of black-centrism and . . . Dominicans don’t respond to that,” said scholar Manuel Núñez, who is black. “Dominican is not a color of skin, like the Haitian.”

Dictator Rafael Trujillo, who ruled from 1930 to 1961, strongly promoted anti-Haitian sentiments, and is blamed for creating the many racial categories that avoided the use of the word “black.”

The practice continued under President Joaquín Balaguer, who often complained that Haitians were “darkening” the country. In the 1990s, he was blamed for thwarting the presidential aspirations of leading black candidate José Francisco Peña Gómez by spreading rumors that he was actually Haitian.

“Under Trujillo, being black was the worst thing you could be,” said Afro-Dominican poet Blas Jiménez. “Now we are Dominican, because we are not Haitian. We are something, because we are not that.”

Jiménez remembers when he got his first passport, the clerk labeled him “Indian.” He protested to the director of the agency.

“I remember the man saying, ‘If he wants to be black, let him be black!’ ” Jiménez said.

Resentment toward anything Haitian continues, as an estimated one million Haitians live in the Dominican Republic, most working in the sugar and construction industries. Mass deportations often mistakenly include black Dominicans, and Haitians have been periodically lynched in mob violence. The government has been trying to deny citizenship and public education to the Dominican-born children of illegal Haitian migrants.

When migrant-rights activist Sonia Pierre won the prestigious Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award in 2006, the government responded by trying to revoke her citizenship, saying she is actually Haitian.

“There’s tremendous resistance to blackness — black is something bad,” said black feminist Sergia Galván. ‘‘Black is associated with dark, illegal, ugly, clandestine things. There is a prototype of beauty here and a lot of social pressure. There are schools where braids and natural hair are prohibited.”

Galván and a loosely knit group of women have protested European canons of beauty, once going so far as to rally outside a beauty pageant. She and other experts say it is now more common to see darker-skinned women in the contests — but they never win.

CULTURE PULL

Several women said the cultural rejection of African looking hair is so strong that people often shout insults at women with natural curls.

“I cannot take the bus because people pull my hair and stick combs in it,” said wavy haired performance artist Xiomara Fortuna. “They ask me if I just got out of prison. People just don’t want that image to be seen.”

The hours spent on hair extensions and painful chemical straightening treatments are actually an expression of nationalism, said Ginetta Candelario, who studies the complexities of Dominican race and beauty at Smith College in Massachusetts. And to some of the women who relax their hair, it’s simply a way to have soft manageable hair in the Dominican Republic’s stifling humidity.

“It’s not self-hate,” Candelario said. “Going through that is to love yourself a lot. That’s someone saying, ‘I am going to take care of me.’ It’s nationalist, it’s affirmative and celebrating self.”

Money, education, class — and of course straight hair — can make dark-skinned Dominicans be perceived as more “white,” she said. Many black Dominicans here say they never knew they were black — until they visited the United States.

“During the Trujillo regime, people who were dark skinned were rejected, so they created their own mechanism to fight it,” said Ramona Hernández, Director of the Dominican Studies Institute at City College in New York. “When you ask, ‘What are you?’ they don’t give you the answer you want . . . saying we don’t want to deal with our blackness is simply what you want to hear.”

Hernández, who has olive-toned skin and a long mane of hair she blows out straight, acknowledges she would “never, never, never” go to a university meeting with her natural curls.

“That’s a woman trying to look cute; I’m a sociologist,” she said.

Asked if a black Dominican woman can be considered beautiful in her country, Hernández leapt to her feet.

“You should see how they come in here with their big asses!” she said, shuffling across her office with her arms extended behind her back, simulating an enormous rear-end. “They come in here thinking they are all that, and I think, ‘doesn’t she know she’s not really pretty?’ “

Maria Elena Polanca is a black woman with the striking good looks. She said most Dominicans look at her with curiosity, as if a black woman being beautiful were something strange.

She spends her days promoting a hair straightener at La Sirena, a Santo Domingo department store that features an astonishing array of hair straightening products.

“Look, we have bad hair, bad. Nobody says ‘curly.’ It’s bad,” she said. “You can’t go out like that. People will say, ‘Look at that nest! Someone light a match!’ ”

‘IT WAS HURTFUL’

Purdue University professor Dawn Stinchcomb, who is African American, said that when she came here in 1999 to study African influences in literature, people insulted her in the street.

Waiters refused to serve her. People wouldn’t help Stinchcomb with her research, saying if she wanted to study Africans, she’d have to go to Haiti.

“I had people on the streets . . . yell at me to get out of the sun because I was already black enough,” she said. “It was hurtful. . . . I was raised in the South and thought I could handle any racial comment. I never before experienced anything like I did in the Dominican Republic.

“I don’t have a problem when people who don’t look like me say hurtful things. But when it’s people who look just like me?”
~Miami Herald

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96 Responses to “natural hair gets no love in the dominican republic?”

  1. Olivia 12 July 2009 at 5:18 am Permalink

    i'm speechless, that is so crazy, yet so sad.

    what would be the action of change here?

  2. thelady 12 July 2009 at 5:28 am Permalink

    that whole concept of curly or afro textured hair being "unmanageable" is just as harmful as the good hair bad hair nonsense

    I manage my hair just fine thank you very much

  3. yours truly 12 July 2009 at 6:28 am Permalink

    i remember reading this article a couple years ago myself. reading it again, this jumped out at me just as much as the hair hatred factor:

    "You should see how they come in here with their big asses!'' she said, shuffling across her office with her arms extended behind her back, simulating an enormous rear-end. "They come in here thinking they are all that, and I think, 'doesn't she know she's not really pretty?' "

    I thought being shapely was something to be proud of there. :/ It's what a lot of their women tend to be admired for. But I guess to be furthest from black goes beyond just hair texture. Either way it's an unfortunate mindset that is easier said than done to erase.

  4. Nikita 12 July 2009 at 7:25 am Permalink

    So sad. For years, I have been berated because of my "bad hair" and my choice (gasp!) to first wear it natural, and now to wear it in locks. To make it "worse", I am also dark-skinned… So for most people they consider it as two strikes against me. I just shake it off… I know that me and my hair look damn good and I'm not going to apologize for what grows out of my head naturally!!! As if!!!

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  12. Chrissae 12 July 2009 at 9:59 am Permalink

    I am a Haitian American in the DC area. Where do I begin?… I have been to Haiti and the Dominican Republic. I didn't get any discrimination while there, but while I was on a tour (with other Haitians from the US, the tour guide was describing Haitian immigrants to the Dominican Republic as only being able to live in ghettos and pointed as we drove by. All I could feel was anger and sadness. Didn't he realize that the awful things he was saying about haitians was towards a tour group consisting of haitians?? This girl I used to be best friends with was dating a Dominican guy and when he found out I was Haitian (without meeting me) he automatically hated me, but once he met me he thought I was OK for a Haitian, what?? I am dark-skinned with natural hair and the issue of hair and skin color in the Dominican Republic as well as in Haiti is BIG. They equate natural hair to slavery. The problem between Haiti and the Dominican Republic (in my opinion) is ridiculous and should stop. Instead of all that time spent towards efforts to separate and discriminate, both countries should work together. Anyway…sorry for the long comment, but the "black" issue on the island is intense.

  13. Nikki 12 July 2009 at 1:39 pm Permalink

    "Many black Dominicans here say they never knew they were black — until they visited the United States." That is hilarious. I LOVE IT. Clearly more Dominicans need to travel. The bit about Hernandez and her comments about black women with their 'big asses' thinking they were pretty – que cosa! – so all dominicans wish to be blond and blue eyed, essentially? And then they say it isn't self hate? When you see the lack of interest they have in THEIR own (black) history I say don't fight it. Leave them be. Because as the global community shrinks and they are more exposed to the world, they'll be laughed back to their country when whites look at them and say "white!??! you aren't white, you're a negro". THEN they'll grasp the concept. LMAO – hope they youtube it;)

  14. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:00 pm Permalink

    I too remember reading this article years ago and it continues to frustrate me. An overwhelming number of Dominicans hold these values to the heart, but not all. I remember arguing with a distant cousin about our family being of African descent and she swore up and down that true Dominicans consist of Taíno (Amerindian), and Spaniard; nothing else. A lot of the racism and self hate that Dominicans experience drive deep into the history of our country. Trujillo was an awful dictator who I would place 85% of the blame upon for propagating self hatred. After his dictatorship ended (aka he was executed) the tensions between Haitians and Dominicans only escalated.

    It's an unfortunate situation. When I decided to BC my cousin in Dominican Republic continued to bash my new look. That was fine, except she was talking to everyone about it and telling my aunts and cousins that I looked crazy and was much prettier with longer hair. Unfortunately for her my family completely supported my decision to go natural and went off on her, including myself.

    There are natural communities in Dominican Republic, it may not be a conscious decision or organized movement like here in the United States, but there are those who refuse to go with the norm. I have many family members in DR who wear locs, and sport natural hair and it's not what others would consider to be "good" hair… whatever that is. umm… sorry for the long post…

    here is the wiki page to Trujillo if you wanted more info…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

  15. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:00 pm Permalink

    I too remember reading this article years ago and it continues to frustrate me. An overwhelming number of Dominicans hold these values to the heart, but not all. I remember arguing with a distant cousin about our family being of African descent and she swore up and down that true Dominicans consist of Taíno (Amerindian), and Spaniard; nothing else. A lot of the racism and self hate that Dominicans experience drive deep into the history of our country. Trujillo was an awful dictator who I would place 85% of the blame upon for propagating self hatred. After his dictatorship ended (aka he was executed) the tensions between Haitians and Dominicans only escalated.

    It's an unfortunate situation. When I decided to BC my cousin in Dominican Republic continued to bash my new look. That was fine, except she was talking to everyone about it and telling my aunts and cousins that I looked crazy and was much prettier with longer hair. Unfortunately for her my family completely supported my decision to go natural and went off on her, including myself.

    There are natural communities in Dominican Republic, it may not be a conscious decision or organized movement like here in the United States, but there are those who refuse to go with the norm. I have many family members in DR who wear locs, and sport natural hair and it's not what others would consider to be "good" hair… whatever that is. umm… sorry for the long post…

    here is the wiki page to Trujillo if you wanted more info…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

  16. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:00 pm Permalink

    I too remember reading this article years ago and it continues to frustrate me. An overwhelming number of Dominicans hold these values to the heart, but not all. I remember arguing with a distant cousin about our family being of African descent and she swore up and down that true Dominicans consist of Taíno (Amerindian), and Spaniard; nothing else. A lot of the racism and self hate that Dominicans experience drive deep into the history of our country. Trujillo was an awful dictator who I would place 85% of the blame upon for propagating self hatred. After his dictatorship ended (aka he was executed) the tensions between Haitians and Dominicans only escalated.

    It's an unfortunate situation. When I decided to BC my cousin in Dominican Republic continued to bash my new look. That was fine, except she was talking to everyone about it and telling my aunts and cousins that I looked crazy and was much prettier with longer hair. Unfortunately for her my family completely supported my decision to go natural and went off on her, including myself.

    There are natural communities in Dominican Republic, it may not be a conscious decision or organized movement like here in the United States, but there are those who refuse to go with the norm. I have many family members in DR who wear locs, and sport natural hair and it's not what others would consider to be "good" hair… whatever that is. umm… sorry for the long post…

    here is the wiki page to Trujillo if you wanted more info…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

  17. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:00 pm Permalink

    I too remember reading this article years ago and it continues to frustrate me. An overwhelming number of Dominicans hold these values to the heart, but not all. I remember arguing with a distant cousin about our family being of African descent and she swore up and down that true Dominicans consist of Taíno (Amerindian), and Spaniard; nothing else. A lot of the racism and self hate that Dominicans experience drive deep into the history of our country. Trujillo was an awful dictator who I would place 85% of the blame upon for propagating self hatred. After his dictatorship ended (aka he was executed) the tensions between Haitians and Dominicans only escalated.

    It's an unfortunate situation. When I decided to BC my cousin in Dominican Republic continued to bash my new look. That was fine, except she was talking to everyone about it and telling my aunts and cousins that I looked crazy and was much prettier with longer hair. Unfortunately for her my family completely supported my decision to go natural and went off on her, including myself.

    There are natural communities in Dominican Republic, it may not be a conscious decision or organized movement like here in the United States, but there are those who refuse to go with the norm. I have many family members in DR who wear locs, and sport natural hair and it's not what others would consider to be "good" hair… whatever that is. umm… sorry for the long post…

    here is the wiki page to Trujillo if you wanted more info…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

  18. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:00 pm Permalink

    I too remember reading this article years ago and it continues to frustrate me. An overwhelming number of Dominicans hold these values to the heart, but not all. I remember arguing with a distant cousin about our family being of African descent and she swore up and down that true Dominicans consist of Taíno (Amerindian), and Spaniard; nothing else. A lot of the racism and self hate that Dominicans experience drive deep into the history of our country. Trujillo was an awful dictator who I would place 85% of the blame upon for propagating self hatred. After his dictatorship ended (aka he was executed) the tensions between Haitians and Dominicans only escalated.

    It's an unfortunate situation. When I decided to BC my cousin in Dominican Republic continued to bash my new look. That was fine, except she was talking to everyone about it and telling my aunts and cousins that I looked crazy and was much prettier with longer hair. Unfortunately for her my family completely supported my decision to go natural and went off on her, including myself.

    There are natural communities in Dominican Republic, it may not be a conscious decision or organized movement like here in the United States, but there are those who refuse to go with the norm. I have many family members in DR who wear locs, and sport natural hair and it's not what others would consider to be "good" hair… whatever that is. umm… sorry for the long post…

    here is the wiki page to Trujillo if you wanted more info…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

  19. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:00 pm Permalink

    I too remember reading this article years ago and it continues to frustrate me. An overwhelming number of Dominicans hold these values to the heart, but not all. I remember arguing with a distant cousin about our family being of African descent and she swore up and down that true Dominicans consist of Taíno (Amerindian), and Spaniard; nothing else. A lot of the racism and self hate that Dominicans experience drive deep into the history of our country. Trujillo was an awful dictator who I would place 85% of the blame upon for propagating self hatred. After his dictatorship ended (aka he was executed) the tensions between Haitians and Dominicans only escalated.

    It's an unfortunate situation. When I decided to BC my cousin in Dominican Republic continued to bash my new look. That was fine, except she was talking to everyone about it and telling my aunts and cousins that I looked crazy and was much prettier with longer hair. Unfortunately for her my family completely supported my decision to go natural and went off on her, including myself.

    There are natural communities in Dominican Republic, it may not be a conscious decision or organized movement like here in the United States, but there are those who refuse to go with the norm. I have many family members in DR who wear locs, and sport natural hair and it's not what others would consider to be "good" hair… whatever that is. umm… sorry for the long post…

    here is the wiki page to Trujillo if you wanted more info…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

  20. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:00 pm Permalink

    I too remember reading this article years ago and it continues to frustrate me. An overwhelming number of Dominicans hold these values to the heart, but not all. I remember arguing with a distant cousin about our family being of African descent and she swore up and down that true Dominicans consist of Taíno (Amerindian), and Spaniard; nothing else. A lot of the racism and self hate that Dominicans experience drive deep into the history of our country. Trujillo was an awful dictator who I would place 85% of the blame upon for propagating self hatred. After his dictatorship ended (aka he was executed) the tensions between Haitians and Dominicans only escalated.

    It's an unfortunate situation. When I decided to BC my cousin in Dominican Republic continued to bash my new look. That was fine, except she was talking to everyone about it and telling my aunts and cousins that I looked crazy and was much prettier with longer hair. Unfortunately for her my family completely supported my decision to go natural and went off on her, including myself.

    There are natural communities in Dominican Republic, it may not be a conscious decision or organized movement like here in the United States, but there are those who refuse to go with the norm. I have many family members in DR who wear locs, and sport natural hair and it's not what others would consider to be "good" hair… whatever that is. umm… sorry for the long post…

    here is the wiki page to Trujillo if you wanted more info…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

  21. aulelia 12 July 2009 at 2:04 pm Permalink

    WOW…

    Very scary stuff to read.

    I'm an African girl and I have so much love for our Caribbean brothers and sisters, but this is creepy to read.

    I hope these issues get sorted out when people decide to have more children, they can teach them good values of respecting all types of hair.

  22. jenteel 12 July 2009 at 2:28 pm Permalink

    people need to be aware of this issue. i take issue when anyone of african ancestry denies their heritage and usually it's someone who looks just like me. it's one of the reasons why i don't call anyone of latino heritage "spanish". it's just one more way to separate from blackness. it all boils down to self-hate.

    i am soooo happy i was raised by proud haitian parents who taught me to love my wonderful culture and all the languages we speak. now i'm not saying that haitians don't have hair and color issues. growing up, i was told i had "good hair" by family members. just like all caribbean and latin nations we have those issues, but there is a universal feeling of "we live in a black country that was the 1st, let me repeat it: the 1st and only country to beat the ish out of a european power and win our independence". even the lightest haitian, haitian of syrian descent or bi-racial acknowledges "blackness". african influence is apparent in the music and culture. haiti was 2nd only to the us to become an independent nation in the americas to win it's independence. it was the catalyst for all!

    president trujillo implemented this self-hate strategy in the d.r. and it worked quite well. his grandmother was half-haitian, but he hated his blackness so much, he encouraged "whitening" of the country by instituting a european influx. (he idolized hitler, even having some dealings with him) he also killed 30,000 in a river massacre. his soldiers couldn't identify the haitians from the dominicans so the only way you could be identified was by saying the world "parsley" in spanish which some haitians had trouble pronouncing. obviously domincans were also killed in this massacre. the "you're not black" ideology continues to this day in their educational system. and this thinking is carried over into the states.

    if you want a good read on this, check out the book, "in the time of the butterflies". a film that focuses on haitian-dominican relations today (among other things) is "the price of sugar".
    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=7625915
    the only thing i could do was laugh when i saw obviously black people saying they weren't black.

    it's pure sickness.

  23. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:51 pm Permalink

    @jenteel I love your comments. You speak nothing but the truth. Another book that might be of interest is The Farming of Bones by Edwidge Danticat.

    *sorry if this shows up more than once, I kept receiving an error notice.

  24. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:51 pm Permalink

    @jenteel I love your comments. You speak nothing but the truth. Another book that might be of interest is The Farming of Bones by Edwidge Danticat.

    *sorry if this shows up more than once, I kept receiving an error notice.

  25. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:51 pm Permalink

    @jenteel I love your comments. You speak nothing but the truth. Another book that might be of interest is The Farming of Bones by Edwidge Danticat.

    *sorry if this shows up more than once, I kept receiving an error notice.

  26. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:51 pm Permalink

    @jenteel I love your comments. You speak nothing but the truth. Another book that might be of interest is The Farming of Bones by Edwidge Danticat.

    *sorry if this shows up more than once, I kept receiving an error notice.

  27. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:51 pm Permalink

    @jenteel I love your comments. You speak nothing but the truth. Another book that might be of interest is The Farming of Bones by Edwidge Danticat.

    *sorry if this shows up more than once, I kept receiving an error notice.

  28. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:51 pm Permalink

    @jenteel I love your comments. You speak nothing but the truth. Another book that might be of interest is The Farming of Bones by Edwidge Danticat.

    *sorry if this shows up more than once, I kept receiving an error notice.

  29. Fly Vixen [?] 12 July 2009 at 2:51 pm Permalink

    @jenteel I love your comments. You speak nothing but the truth. Another book that might be of interest is The Farming of Bones by Edwidge Danticat.

    *sorry if this shows up more than once, I kept receiving an error notice.

  30. LuvDeluxe 12 July 2009 at 5:02 pm Permalink

    Wow Nikki… They sure will have culture shock. Well I can't deny that my Gram was Siminole because if I did my nose would give it away. The only thing about my heritage that halfway embarrassed me was knowing that Massa' actually did rape one of my Great Grams that is why there are two spellings of the name Fluellen (Flewellen) and that cousin somebody would be my exact clone except she is ten shades lighter. Time and awareness usually heals this pain but if even one seed is still deseased, negative ideas can creep back up like the plague. (In the movie Australia they called them creamies)

  31. Queenbuv3 12 July 2009 at 5:44 pm Permalink

    This article makes me sick to my stomach. It just floors me that these women are subjected to so much hate and pressure to go against what God gave them. The attitudes in this article are just disguting and frightening.

    God doesn't make mistakes. He made us all the way we look for a reason.

    For what it is worth, curly and kinky hair rocks!!! Black women are beautiful just the way God made them : )

    This article has brought tears to my eyes. I'm really upset by the hateful oppressive attitudes in this article. I'm really sad now : (

  32. Anonymous 12 July 2009 at 8:30 pm Permalink

    Wow…wow…wow!!! What is it about being black that people want to avoid it like the plague? I guess black is only beautiful if you have long straight hair..oh and let's not forget…a good skin bleaching cream…

  33. Black girl with long hair 12 July 2009 at 8:41 pm Permalink

    An inappropriate comment was recently published. This was a total and honest mistake and I apologize to everyone who saw it and took offense.

  34. Jai 12 July 2009 at 10:46 pm Permalink

    I read this article before and reading it again is just as upsetting.

    I think its sad that the dominicans continue to spread this self hate to their children generation after generation.

    Why did Zoe Saldana come to mind after reading this article again? Does she claim NOT to be black too? May God help them all for denying how He made them!

    @ Nikki, you've got me screaming lol. OMG, why did Dave Chappelle'skit come to mind?(Clayton Bigsby)

    @ jenteel, thanks for the info I'm always learning something from this blog :)

    @ Leila, welcome back from vacay!!!

  35. ?reciä 12 July 2009 at 10:50 pm Permalink

    I've read about the same situation a while back and of course i was in shock. Here in the north our excuse is unacceptable while over there its a whole other ball game. Not saying its acceptable but one can't win there.. as it is still going through the "development stages" You Know building a strong foundation for the country.

    As Black people we need to understand how much stronger and powerful we would be as a whole supporting one another and accepting who we are… We need to take back control of our rights… our ancestors worked hard for us to be where we are today.. what about our future families?

  36. ?reciä 12 July 2009 at 10:50 pm Permalink

    I've read about the same situation a while back and of course i was in shock. Here in the north our excuse is unacceptable while over there its a whole other ball game. Not saying its acceptable but one can't win there.. as it is still going through the "development stages" You Know building a strong foundation for the country.

    As Black people we need to understand how much stronger and powerful we would be as a whole supporting one another and accepting who we are… We need to take back control of our rights… our ancestors worked hard for us to be where we are today.. what about our future families?

  37. ?reciä 12 July 2009 at 10:50 pm Permalink

    I've read about the same situation a while back and of course i was in shock. Here in the north our excuse is unacceptable while over there its a whole other ball game. Not saying its acceptable but one can't win there.. as it is still going through the "development stages" You Know building a strong foundation for the country.

    As Black people we need to understand how much stronger and powerful we would be as a whole supporting one another and accepting who we are… We need to take back control of our rights… our ancestors worked hard for us to be where we are today.. what about our future families?

  38. ?reciä 12 July 2009 at 10:50 pm Permalink

    I've read about the same situation a while back and of course i was in shock. Here in the north our excuse is unacceptable while over there its a whole other ball game. Not saying its acceptable but one can't win there.. as it is still going through the "development stages" You Know building a strong foundation for the country.

    As Black people we need to understand how much stronger and powerful we would be as a whole supporting one another and accepting who we are… We need to take back control of our rights… our ancestors worked hard for us to be where we are today.. what about our future families?

  39. ?reciä 12 July 2009 at 10:50 pm Permalink

    I've read about the same situation a while back and of course i was in shock. Here in the north our excuse is unacceptable while over there its a whole other ball game. Not saying its acceptable but one can't win there.. as it is still going through the "development stages" You Know building a strong foundation for the country.

    As Black people we need to understand how much stronger and powerful we would be as a whole supporting one another and accepting who we are… We need to take back control of our rights… our ancestors worked hard for us to be where we are today.. what about our future families?

  40. ?reciä 12 July 2009 at 10:50 pm Permalink

    I've read about the same situation a while back and of course i was in shock. Here in the north our excuse is unacceptable while over there its a whole other ball game. Not saying its acceptable but one can't win there.. as it is still going through the "development stages" You Know building a strong foundation for the country.

    As Black people we need to understand how much stronger and powerful we would be as a whole supporting one another and accepting who we are… We need to take back control of our rights… our ancestors worked hard for us to be where we are today.. what about our future families?

  41. ?reciä 12 July 2009 at 10:50 pm Permalink

    I've read about the same situation a while back and of course i was in shock. Here in the north our excuse is unacceptable while over there its a whole other ball game. Not saying its acceptable but one can't win there.. as it is still going through the "development stages" You Know building a strong foundation for the country.

    As Black people we need to understand how much stronger and powerful we would be as a whole supporting one another and accepting who we are… We need to take back control of our rights… our ancestors worked hard for us to be where we are today.. what about our future families?

  42. Ms. Crown of Hair 12 July 2009 at 10:57 pm Permalink

    You stole the words right out of my mouth, Jenteel!

    It's fascinating to me how some Dominicans (and people originating from other Latino countries) still believe that they are direct descendants of Tainos and Spaniards and that they don't have a drop of black blood even though their skin is a chocolate shade w/ kinky hair. I just feel sorry for people who are stuck in that mentality because they are losing their heritage and pressuring beautiful young girls into believing their crap!

  43. Adriel 12 July 2009 at 11:25 pm Permalink

    That makes me want to go to the Dominican Republic and DO SOMETHING just anything so that these people know how lovely they are and that we are all creatures of God, equal and the same no matter how we look.

  44. Black girl with long hair 13 July 2009 at 3:59 am Permalink

    @ Olivia… you ask an excellent question. Hopefully with continued discussion we can learn what to do.

  45. LivingGolden 13 July 2009 at 12:30 pm Permalink

    @Nikki, it is not unfathomable that many black Dominicans didn't think of themselves as black until coming to the US. If you're brought up in a culture that defines you as anything other than black and you're taught from a very young age that black is the worst thing a person can be, it would be hard not to develop the mindset that many black or mixed-race Dominicans have. To give Dominicans credit, in the past few years, more black Dominican women (in the US) are pushing for acceptance of their natrual hair. It is not an easy process. Imagine having your entire culture opposed to you being who you are.

    I suggest you read a little of the history of blacks in the Dominican Republic before making nasty comments. I don't like the situation in the Dominican Republic, but I understand it and can therefore feel some compassion for the people there. As FlyVixen said, Trujillo was an AWFUL dictator. Do some reading on him.

    I have long been frustrated by the attitude of many black Americans towards Dominicans. While I understand their initial outrage at the widely-held view among Dominicans about blacksness, I wish more black Americans would take the time to learn the history and understand where that hatred comes from.

    How can black people ever progress and become united if we refuse to take the time to understand differing points of view?

  46. thelady 13 July 2009 at 2:08 pm Permalink

    @Jai

    Zoe Saldana refers to herself as Black, the Dominican Media is not to happy with her about that.

  47. Lili 13 July 2009 at 2:09 pm Permalink

    I vacationed in the DR with my hubby and daughter – we are all varying shades of brown; my hubby is dark chocolate. We were at a resort near Puerto Plata. I recall many dark skinned Dominicans shouting stuff to my husband like "you are my brother 'cos you have my skin colour" or "we darker skin people have no money and must stick together". People would automatically assume we had little money because of our colour; at our hotel the (light-skinned- more on this, see below) maids/waiters etc would stare at us in wonder as if it was a rare phenomenom for people like us to afford a nice hotel, good clothes etc. I felt incredibly sorry for these people for the damage and destruction colourism, self-hate and slavery had done. The issues with colourism were so evident even though we only stayed for a short while. Overall they are a friendly people, the food delicious but I would be wary of living in such a country with my brown skin.
    Also the city of Puerto plata was very clean; even the more economically challenged areas. I admire that.
    With regard to the waiters etc. I could not help noticing that the "front row" staff eg at the reception, etc were lightskinned. The cleaners appeared to be darker. Of course this could just be coincidence…

  48. Anonymous 13 July 2009 at 2:24 pm Permalink

    @Lili, no coincidence. In places like DR, Brazil, Peru, for example, dark-skin and curly hair can make it incredibly difficult to get quality employment. In Peru, shop/restaurant owners are blatantly open about the fact that they will not hire people of darker skin. It's slowly changing, but still a fact of life nonetheless….

  49. Black girl with long hair 13 July 2009 at 2:30 pm Permalink

    could somebody explain more about trujillo and the effect he had on the dominican republic?

  50. LivingGolden 13 July 2009 at 3:15 pm Permalink

    I'll see if I can find any good online references, but here's look up the Parsley Massacre to get an idea of who Trujillo was. (Trujillo, determined to expand his influence over all of Hispaniola, in October 1937 ordered the indiscriminate butchery by the Dominican army of an estimated 20,000 to 30,000 Haitians on the Dominican side of the Massacre River.
    The Parsley Massacre occured in October 1937 on the Dominican Haitian border. Between 17,000 and 35,000 Haitians living in the DR were killed by
    Dominican civilians and military officials. The reasons for the massacres was a supposed response
    to the theft of land and cows in the border regions, but a type of racial cleansing and extension of
    Trujillo's authoritarian rules are more definite reasons for the massacre. The massacre was named
    becasue of the mispronounciation of the Spanish word for parsley, perejil. It was belevied that
    Haitian decendents would pronounce the word with a distinct Haitian Creole accent. The DR would
    receive a black eye for the events within the international community and added to the tense
    relations between the countries. In October 2007, an apology for those events was published.)

    This is what I refer to when I saw people should have some historical reference beofre making comments.


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