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06 October 2009 ~ 112 Comments

Huffington Post writer Lola Jaye explains why she thinks relaxing isn’t that big a deal…

I was notified about this Huffington Post article by a BGLH reader who wished to remain anonymous. She was bothered by the author’s conclusions, which downplayed any negative psychology behind black women’s decisions to relax and denied any significance to Michelle Obama’s choice of hairstyle.

I was able to get in contact with the article’s author, UK based novelist Lola Jaye.
She was willing to answer some tough questions. Read through the interview and post your thoughts!

BGLH: Lola, first off… It’s awesome that you had a gig writing for a leading blog like Huffington Post! How did you get hooked up with that?
LJ:
Thank you. I’d heard about Chris Rock’s upcoming movie and had come across a few articles on your wonderful First Lady Michelle Obama and her hairstyles, so I decided to marry the two topics together and have some fun. Luckily, it just so happens that both topics are kind of hot at the moment.

Having my writing displayed on a website like Huffpo is such an honor, even if some of my friends hadn’t heard of it!

BGLH: Before we talk about hair, I’d like you to talk a bit about your book “By The Time You Read This”. Where did you get inspiration for that story? And how long did it take to write?

LJ:
I had been writing, unpublished for years. But one day, I was sitting at home watching Oprah and the show focused on a dying mother who had left a collection of keepsakes for her daughter. I started to ponder this terrible situation and wondered what would happen if I wrote about a man’s love for his daughter and his desire to raise her – even when he couldn’t be around to do that.

I felt really strongly about writing something from the point of view of a man; a man who thinks, feels and loves. A strong, beautiful man who loves his child with everything he has, and is not afraid to cry or to tell his daughter that he loves her. That was important to me. The story had such a pull that I wrote the first draft in six months – whilst holding down a full time job. My agent sent the manuscript to a UK publisher and the USA followed. My novel By The Time You Read This has now been published in some other languages including Korean. I still have to pinch myself!

BGLH: Do you wear your hair naturally now? And when did you make that decision to go natural? What spurred that decision?
LJ:
I don’t wear my hair natural at present, so shall I leave now!? Seriously, I’ve had many styles; braids, weaves, funky ‘fro, curls. I even shaved my hair off once! Oh, how liberating that felt – until I had to go to work (I promptly lost my nerve and bought a wig, which felt awful because I kept imagining a lone stranger walking up to me and whipping it off!). Currently, I am wearing thinly plaited –in extensions, which cost loads to get done here in London. In Nigeria, I get it done for a fraction of the price (if we ignore the air fare!).

BGLH: Why did you lose your nerve?
LJ:
My head was completely shaved off – bald, clean and I needed the insulation! Have you been to London in the winter? :)

Some ladies – like Solange Knowles, look absolutely beautiful with very short hair – but I have a really big head and with no hair on it, this shows!

BGLH: When you were natural did you view it as a style, or was it an attempt to be more accepting of your hair in its natural state?
LJ:
I think for many people, it can be a bit of both. I was totally bored with the straight look so rocking a funky afro seemed a million miles away from that style.

BGLH: You said in your Huffington Post article

“We debated the historical and psychological factors many feel are responsible for the rise in women who relax or weave their hair and it all got a bit confusing and we were unable to reach firm conclusions.”

Why did the discussion get confusing, and why were you unable to reach firm conclusions?
LJ: I think it’s such a contentious issue. A lot (not all) of my girlfriends do wear their hair relaxed and in effect they were having to justify themselves. However, the discussions ranged from the ‘need’ for straight hair dating back many years, to the manageability argument, to the accusations of buying into the notion that current perceptions of beauty do not include Afro hair or anything remotely African. It was a long discussion!

However, without dismissing any theories, we ended up concluding that women are a myriad of differences. We aren’t all the same and should not be defined as such. One woman’s reasons (psychological or not) for relaxing her hair are not the same as another woman’s reasons for relaxing her hair. Everyone (thankfully) is different.

BGLH: You also said this;

“From my girlfriends’ perspective, being able to change hair styles with the aid of hair extensions or weaves once a month has more to do with having the power to look different on a whim, than a deeper psychological reason. Oh and a lot to do with laziness as the thought of just giving the mane a quick run through with the hand before heading out for the day as opposed to a thorough comb job is quite appealing. Leaving them time to get on with other things (although one could argue that the eight hours a month spent getting it styled is just as time consuming).”

Aside from the issue of versatility (“the power to look different”) do you think there is something significant about the fact that black women often seek diversity of styles with straight hair as a template instead of their own natural texture? Also do you think there is any significance in the fact that, anecdotally, a higher percentage of black women alter their natural texture?
LJ: As I touched on in the article, conformity can come into play as it almost seems the ‘norm’ to have a relaxed ‘do or a weave. Oh wow, that would mean I am a conformist – and yet I believe myself to be far from that.

So what is the right answer to your question?

I don’t think there is one. You see, there can be a tendency for women, whatever their color, to be defined by their hair. And this is unfortunate. We’ve all heard the sexist ‘blonde jokes’. In England, even ginger (red) hair can induce pre-conceived perceptions that aren’t very flattering. And as I touched on in the article, women of color with ‘natural’ hair can be viewed as more in touch with their African self, than those with a weave!

It’s always best to never judge a book by its cover (no pun intended) but instead choose to look inside of that person whilst trying not to make any assumptions based on a person’s hairstyle.

BGLH: Do you feel that choice of hair style is ever an indication of a person’s personality or beliefs?
LJ:
Having worked as a psychotherapist in the past, I am no stranger to the knowledge that history and upbringing can contribute to a persons psychological state. Just as there may be women who are more readily influenced by certain belief systems, for others, their motivation for straightening their hair or wearing weaves can be more to do with versatility and convenience. A hairstyle can at times be just that.

A lady I know wore her hair in dreadlocks for years and one day decided to cut them off. Soon after, an acquaintance of hers admitted feeling ‘let down’ by this act as she’d previously thought of her as a radical Sistah! My friend’s confident reaction sums things up nicely; ‘I am still the same person. Nothing has changed, except the style of my hair!’

BGLH: Thanks so much Lola for taking the time to answer these questions!
LJ:
A pleasure!


What are your thoughts? For more of Lola check her website; http://lolajaye.com/

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112 Responses to “Huffington Post writer Lola Jaye explains why she thinks relaxing isn’t that big a deal…”

  1. RosieCheeks 7 October 2009 at 4:12 am Permalink

    BGLH! LOVE your blog and it's great to hear Lola's response. I really like that you reached out to someone who no longer wore her hair natural. I TRULY believe that if we in the community want to make strides and unite, we also have to reach out to those who choose relax hair as an option. Also its important to reach out to black hair salons/ stylist who refuse to even understand to how to take care of natural hair. Thumbs up to you and your wonderful staff!!! *hugs*

    Anon @ 8:26 AM said: I don't think it's fair or logical to presume to know who a person is simply based on whether or not they have made the choice to alter their hair. It's one thing about this natural movement that irritates me.

    Very true. Agree wholeheartedly

    Sewdope said: "everyone with dreads ain't down for the cause and everyone with a perm ain't down for the fall". but i have to tell you that this whole "movement" is starting to get on my damn nerves (excuse me). some of yall will use any excuse to put other people down.

    I can empathize with what you said about not everyone with dreads is down with the cause. The latter part of your response, I can't take away from how you're feeling…BUT I am truly sorry that you feel this way. We as natural should uplift ppl, not get on their nerves, lol. While natural hair is still in the minority, at times it appears that when there is one "militant' within the group, the whole group goes down with them and are branded as "militant". I've research thousands of blogs/forum and while you'll find some like that, A LOT of us aren't like that. I'm not trying to say that is what you think, but I had a LONG (lol) debate with a permie friend and she felt the same way about of naturals. If that's the case, than we naturals should take note and be more respectful of other ppl's choices.

    I kinda see your experience like the "born again Christians", if you know what I mean. Initially they go through their epiphany disregarding others, but eventually, they tone it down (lol). Also I've noticed that a lot of natural blogs, besides BGLH are made by newbies. Makes a huge difference IMO. I've been natural for 5 yrs..so I'm at the point where hair is just hair. But I've noticed with some newbies (including myself back in the day :-) ), we get so excited that we forget about those who are going through what we've been through. With time comes understanding IMO. I'm hoping in the near future to write an essay on the anthropology of hair choices (primarily black hair). While I believe ppl should have a choice, I don't think anyone should deny (not saying you are), the struggles natural man/women have faced just for choosing to wear the hair unaltered. Dominican Republic, Brazil, and many countries in Africa are examples of places for which one is discriminated against for wearing natural hair. Sometimes I believe acknowledgment about the wrong doings of the past allows us to move forward and work together.

  2. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 4:35 am Permalink

    LOL one last thing! I'm sorry for the double post ladies. But simply put, I felt what Anon @9:58 was onto something when she stated:

    the issue at hand is really not who is natural or who is permed
    and it isn't even why>

    the issue is that natural hair still has such a negative stigmatism attach to it that we grow up thinking that our hair is bad or that people with dreads are unclean.

    this is what needs to be erased whether women wear there hair natural or relaxed awoman who wnats to go natural shoyld not have to deal with negative comments from other black women!

    I absolutely LOVE open dialogues with ppl I may not agree with; however, I believe that even with differences you can learn out of it. I REALLY HOPE TO NOT OFFEND ANYONE: I pose this issue bc I really don't know how to respond to it and would like all of you here to "respectfully" :-) give me your opinions. I believe two thing:
    1.) The number of women going natural is increasing
    2.)EVERYONE has the right to choose what hair method works well for them
    3.)After doing research on TONS of blogs and forums, I've noticed that women who were relaxed, natural, and relaxed again..their understanding and mindset are completely different compared to when they were strictly one or the other. A lot the these natural ->relaxed women follow routines similar to what they did when they were natural (protective styling, co-wash, going 3-4 months w/o relaxer). My point is regardless of their choice to relax, I believe a lot of these women did really learned how to take care of their hair bc they were once natural. Besides, what I feel about their decision..I think it's AWESOME that they were able to respect and even benefit from the methods many of us do daily. I also think it's women truly like that who have a "choice".

    On the other hand, not to offend anyone who's a permie on this site, I've heard a lot of them say "your hair looks great, but I could never do that" or the Biggest One…"not everyone is meant to be natural. Can someone please explain to me the latter? Personally, I don't get and I'm really trying to understand. I don't give a FLIP that a female decides to perm, weave, wear braids, etc. My question is how can a person describe something as a choice, when they were conditioned to perm their hair as a young child. If you went through a right of passage @ age 4-13 with out your personal consent, I'm just curious to know how someone could argue natural hair isn't meant for everyone when they've never seen there natural texture!

  3. mimiiscurly 7 October 2009 at 4:37 am Permalink

    I'd have to agree with both sides of the argument, but one statement does bother me.

    "Please, let's just shelve that whole "White people even admire our [insert African attribute here] because while a couple of individuals might, as a general body they don't and they don't have to since all the world is busy running to kiss their feet."

    I'm just speechless by that one, but anyway, on to what I wanted to say.

    As another commenter said, I think we need to support each other rather than coming up with reasons why each of us does a certain thing (not dismissing the valid points made by both sides). We are all beautiful, whether relaxed and natural, and we'd be here for days, weeks, and months even , trying to figure out the "why" behind the hair argument. We would have to examine each and every story to pinpoint the "why".

    Why not just embrace what we each have chosen to do to our heads and if the reason appears to be more than just hair, let us educate each other so that we know we're making the right decision. If not, let it be and accept it. Instead of trying to get behind the psychological reason someone does something, let us be more supportive. Let's stop saying she or he relaxes for this reason and she or he is natural for this reason.

    Why must there be a reason?

    But let me end my comment before I go everywhere with that I'm trying to say. I just wish there was more support..

  4. PoliBohoGlam 7 October 2009 at 4:43 am Permalink

    Sugabelly“You know what? Maybe I don't want to be a Strong Black Woman. Maybe it's not fair that White women, Asian women, or heck, ANY OTHER women aren't expected to be "strong". Maybe once in while, I, like other Black women just want to feel as we have generally been wired to feel as female humans, soft, feminine, beautiful, and desired by the males of our species. Maybe. Is it too much to freaking ask when it is handed on a damn golden platter to women of other races?????

    So you know what? I call bullshit. Heck yeah I want the world to acknowledge my beauty. Why the hell shouldn't they? If the world thinks Heidi Montag is beautiful then they had damn bloody well think Alek Wek is beautiful too.”

    Thank you for saying this! (and everything else).
    I tire of people making statements about my sexuality and my femininity based on my hair.
    We've talked about the role some women play in this hatred of African looks; not just by rocking straight looks only, but also by expressing their dread of kinky hair.
    We've yet discussed the role that black men play in validating our beauty. *I recognize that this doesn't really apply to women who prefer the affections of women, but I”m not speaking on that dimension right now.
    Right now, I'm talking about men who hold and affirm the sentiments that natural hair is less feminine than straight hair. What that says is, distinctly African features are less feminine.
    (Some) Black men may only express these feelings in their negative response to natural hair, rounded African features and dark skin, but the rest of the world expresses these feelings when they don't hold the door open for us, when we're the only one in the group not addressed as ma'am (I'm southern, ya'll), when we're used and viewed as work horses in the work place (and that work place has been in the board room and in the field). Zora Neale Hurston has said that Black women are the mules of the world.
    Now, I understand that this is taking a slight turn in conversation, but I think it's relevant. If we don't mimic white women, then are we looked on as less “worthy”? I'm not trying to be considered some frail, incapable flower. But, I'd like my womanly self to be appreciated. I'd like to be respected as a lady, not just as the “strong , black, woman / Sapphire” stereotype. I'd like to feel like the world feels me worthwhile; so much so, that they'll go out their way to protect me and my honor, that my little girl's innocence is worth keeping sacred, that my mother's ears should be shielded from profanity as much as theirs. Yes, I could just hope to get that recognition from my Black community only and say that non-Blacks don't matter. But that's not the case. I live in a global society. Every day I have to consider and to some degree respect the dominant culture. I'd like to be considered and respected, even with my kinky strands.
    I think this whole conversation is really about how the world views Black women, and how that has impacted the way we view ourselves. Many Black women consider a “soft” look one that includes straight hair. What's that imply?
    Is it hair? Hell no. No more than my black skin is “just skin”. No more than my distinctly womanly parts are “just organs”. They, unfortunately, all come with stigmas and consequences. I think it's important to explore those things and I'm thankful that BGLH allows that to happen here.

  5. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 5:32 am Permalink

    Like I said Suga I take what you say with a grain of salt. You speak from your life, experience, observations, education, and culture. To you, its not just hair. You are entitled to your opinion. Its interesting..but as a another black natural woman…its actually not relateable at all to me. And that's okay.

    I hope that for every woman who stands on a soapbox of "embrace your natural self," that that is reflected in ALL aspects of their lives.

    I see natural hair but I see that same woman painting her face with chemically filled makeup each morning. I see natural hair women and yet they are eating chemically processed food, they use harsh cleaning products and so on. So I always find it a bit comical when a natural woman will speak at lengths about embracing your natural self and yet the only reflection of their natural self is through their hair and no other part of their life.

    Women straighten their hair for many reasons. What I don't understand is why you think those reasons are all negative. If that's the case, do you feel that strongly about natural women who occasionally straighten their hair? Or natural women who chemically color their hair?

    It just seems interesting that when someone had straight hair and was wanting to transition into their curly hair such as the graphic designer…that was embraced. But a strong successful black woman who is satisfied with her relaxer…oh there must be some deeper issues going on with her.

    But to each their own.

    Lola is doing her thing and I wish her all the success in the world. If more women could focus on supporting and encouraging one another for their success and achievements…that would be a more powerful statement of embracing ourselves rather than presuming to know what's going on about a person based on their hair.

  6. RosieCheeks 7 October 2009 at 6:43 am Permalink

    IMAN @ 3:33PM

    You took the words out of my mouth dear & I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    Iman said:
    Black woman can choose to wear their hair how they feel. However, how many black women truly believe they actually have the CHOICE to wear their hair natural? If you’re natural hair is not properly accommodated by the beauty industry and you receive daily messages that your hair is unattractive, are you really able to make authentic choices about your hair? Once you add this to the fact that many black people were relaxed as children, you realize that “choice” is a much more complicated issue than we’d like to acknowledge.

    I believe WE SHOULD wear our hair however we feel:permed, natural, colored, etc. I was permed from 4-17 yrs old. Got a relaxer from 17-18 yrs. Went natural again at 18 during my freshman year of college. I don't mean to sound controversial or offend anyone, but for me that really was " a choice". I weighed all of my options! I saw how relaxers treated my hair and I also observed the benefits of my non chemically treated hair. Hence, the reason I refuse to judge those who were once natural but choose to relax…vice versa. It's really about weighing one's options and observing what works best for one's hair. My pet peeve I guess is when ppl say "it's a choice" without the experience. I don't think anyone should knock, condemn, or pass judgement on something they have never tried!

    Also, I agree the term "choice" is ambiguous when it comes to our hair. JMO

  7. HappieGoLuckie 7 October 2009 at 7:27 am Permalink

    Sugabelly said:

    On a general level, Black women who relax their hair do not like their natural hair plain and simple (Otherwise why would you PERMANENTLY change something you liked when you knew there'd be no going back?).

    First & foremost BGLH, LOL I really like this dialouge.

    Sugabelly, while I don't disagree with you completely dear, I co-sign with what Iman said. Instead of pointing fingers, I will be the first to say that if I used anyone offensive terminology in the past I apologize (hehe even though this is my 1st time posting). I think we in the natural community should be mindful of words that might offend ppl such as "not liking", "hate themselves", or "wanting to be like someone else". I mean we really don't know.

    I pose a respectful and thoughtful question to you: When you say women who relax their hair do not like their hair, are there not exceptions, my child? My questions is IF you've had a relaxer, how old were you?

    Not trying to pick a fight with you hun. As Iman said, the hair issue/choice is more complex then we make it out to be. What about 3 yr. old Jasmine, whose permed hair mother lost her patience to do her daughter's hair, as a result she caved in and relaxed? Now Jasmine, all grown up at 20, continues to relax her hair. My question is, how can you hate something when you've always been told to do it? Let's remember that Jasmine's grandmother most likely relaxed her mother's hair, and her great-grand mother relaxed his grandmother's hair. It's more complex than just "disliking one's hair".

    We've all once been relaxed, so I don't think it's objective to say that relaxed women do not like their hair. How I viewed it is some women relax bc: 1.) they find it "convenient" 2.) considered "manageable" (whatever that means) 3.)They never thought about why they relaxed bc they've been doing it for so LONG and believe that it was just something "you did" (basically filial imprinting) 4.) New growth is considered unhygienic and aesthetically unappealing similar to white blondes who constantly recolor their roots bc it doesn't look good..once again its something you just do to look "approachable"

    I think 3 and 4 are the main reason black women relax. Pure imprinting: we follow what we've been taught, it's all we know, and some CHOOSE not to find the meaning behind. Just though it would be food for thought for everyone to think about. LOL, although I'm wishy-washy about KR interview on Oprah, I do feel him when he says that mothers should stop relaxing their daughter's hair. I think it helps to alleviate this habituation tendency. JMO

  8. Miss Marche 7 October 2009 at 7:56 am Permalink

    Wow.

    As a woman who also runs a natural hair blog, I have to say…

    ….There's WAY too much obsession over what other people do with their hair.

    I kinda can't believe there are several dozen comments questioning why one woman won't fully explains why she relaxes her hair.

    Does she owe anyone an explanation about her hair style? Seriously.

    And while commenters are getting emotional and up in arms about what ANOTHER woman is doing to her own hair, she's most likely chillin', kicking back and counting the checks from her novel. (The woman has a book with international distribution. I'm way more interested in that than her hairdo.)

    There's a lot of projecting in the natural hair community — onto Lola, onto Mrs. Obama, onto just about everybody. I'm quoting JC on this one: Naturals really need to get over their own issues.

  9. Just Say No 7 October 2009 at 9:12 am Permalink

    What I hate is that many of us can't even be WOMAN enough to stand up and admit that we relax because we've bought into the white-is-right beauty ideal. We can say, "oh but white people add weave too" but we know we're lying. When white chicks add weave they don't add weave in a texture that is totally different from their own hair. White chicks don't subject their baby girls to harsh chemicals to try and make their baby girls' hair look more African, now do they?

    We can't past this hair craziness until we at least face up to the extent of the problem. No, relaxers are not just a fashion thing, there is NOTHING light-hearted about it. 90% of the straight-texture weaves I see on black women actually look like a joke. They DETRACT from rather than ENHANCE the woman's natural beauty. When I see these weaved women I actually feel embarrassed on their behalf. They are telling the white world loud and clear "Yup – we hate our natural looks so much that we'll wear some crazy weave made of the hair of a woman of another race! We just wanna be like you, Mastuh."

    It makes me cringe.

    Sadly I've worn relaxers and weaves in the past too. I am now natural. Natural hair is wayyyyyyyyyyy easier to keep up and look after than straightened hair, so I do not understand this bizarre argument that gets presented about relaxed hair being 'easier to manage'. My hair has never been easier to manage than when it is in its natural state. And, no, I do not have that loose-textured type of natural hair either.

  10. IU 7 October 2009 at 1:12 pm Permalink

    Sugabelly got it.

    That tyra episode solidified my feelings. The little black girl with the Hannah Montana wig and the grown woman talking about having that "white girl flow" almost made me cry. These were two examples of such strong and evident self-hate.

    I feel like the "it's just hair" refrain is just an excuse to not be held responsible for the effect your actions have on others. It's no different than when rappers say "it's just music."

    It may literally be just hair but to try to to erase all the societal attachments with that one tired phrase is just dishonest.

    Probably most black women have not thought about the effects their hair choices have on others (especially young children) but once we are no longer in ignorance, we have no excuse.

    If you don't care about the effects of your hair choices on others then just say it but please, please stop saying "it is just hair." It may be so in a room all by yourself but once you step outside it is no longer so.

    When = numbers of black women choose to stay natural as those who get relaxers then we can START talking about it being "just hair."

  11. Aisha 7 October 2009 at 1:39 pm Permalink

    Miss Marche said…

    Wow.

    As a woman who also runs a natural hair blog, I have to say…

    ….There's WAY too much obsession over what other people do with their hair.

    I kinda can't believe there are several dozen comments questioning why one woman won't fully explains why she relaxes her hair.

    Does she owe anyone an explanation about her hair style? Seriously.

    And while commenters are getting emotional and up in arms about what ANOTHER woman is doing to her own hair, she's most likely chillin', kicking back and counting the checks from her novel. (The woman has a book with international distribution. I'm way more interested in that than her hairdo.)

    There's a lot of projecting in the natural hair community — onto Lola, onto Mrs. Obama, onto just about everybody. I'm quoting JC on this one: Naturals really need to get over their own issues.

    ___________________________________

    Isn't it kind of ironic that you run a natural hair blog and then say there is too much obsession over hair? Hair is like a hobby to most of us on the blogs/message boards, so obviously people here are going to have a stronger opinion than some random person off the street.

    As for Lola, she willingly put herself out there by writing that blog on the Huffington Post and then agreeing to do an interview on BGLH. Trust me, she KNEW she was stepping into the ring (smile).

  12. PRECIOUS WILLIAMS 7 October 2009 at 2:10 pm Permalink

    I do not think there is anything shocking or outrageous about Lola Jaye's views on this. (It is great that she agreed to be interviewed here also.) Hair IS just hair.

    But then…if hair is no biggie how come the overhelming majority of black women *just happen* to use chemicals or weaves to make their hair straight?

  13. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 2:16 pm Permalink

    wow this article really got us amped up. i wear my hair natural but i do weaves for family members and friends when i'm up to it. i do braids and cornrows for those same women as well. am i to believe on the days that i put weaves in their hair they are self-loathing black women and the days they wear cornrows and braids they are proud of their african heritage? i think it's all a bit ridiculous. how you decide to wear your hair for a day, week, month or year does not define who you are. my sister decided to go natural so that she could be free to dye her hair whatever color she wanted without the fear of it falling out. i decided to go natural so that i could have the thickness and fullness that i was missing with permed hair. i don't need to show any outward signs to anyone of how proud i am of my race and heritage. that's personal and really none of anyone else's business. if anyone feels as though they need to constantly prove how proud they are to be black then i feel sorry for them. quite honestly, a lot of black women perm their hair because it's all they know and they think they have to so they can manage their hair. why people always make this into some deep discussion about heritage and blackness baffles me. i really don't think it's that deep.

    i just lead by example. my family thought i was crazy when i said i want to go natural because i don't have what they consider "good hair". now that my hair is growing and thriving you better believe they are always asking me questions on how i'm able to do it and applying what they learn to their kids hair. maybe they'll decide to go natural one day, maybe they won't. it really doesn't concern me either way. i know who i am and what i want and that's all that really matters. if you want to prove some kind of point to people just rock your hair in a proud way and be open to their questions. by being so militant about natural hair you could be shutting down someone who is genuinely curious and just might consider going natural.

  14. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 2:37 pm Permalink

    @Sugabelly, keep bringing the fiyah!
    I'm loving your challenging input to this debate.

  15. PoliBohoGlam 7 October 2009 at 3:03 pm Permalink

    “Getting over our issues”
    So, I never once held a towel or sheet up to my head and swayed back and forth to emulate long, flowing hair. I never saw white girls and said “I want to look like that”. I never felt “less than” when I was around a bunch of white ladies simply because they were white and I am not. My “issues” are really the issues of our society in general, and they happen to impact black women particularly. I grew up not even understanding the concept of natural hair. For me, natural was wearing your hair without extensions. The thought that someone would wear their hair unrelaxed if they didn't have “mixed girl hair” never crossed anyone's mind. It surely didn't occur to me.
    Yet, I chose to go natural. Once I realized that it was an actual choice; that I could stop relaxing my hair and check out what was hiding in there, untouched, I made the choice to drop the lye. The consideration process is what I think is indicative of people's “issues”. When you are aware that there's a choice at all, what does your thought process say about those issues? If you're filled with negative thoughts about your natural hair texture, is that not an issue? Isn't the nappy hair hate the real issue? And, let's not pretend like nappy hair hate isn't real.
    Again, it's not just hair.
    There's a reason why my less than carefully hidden choice to transition resulted in an attempted intervention at Christmas dinner with all of the women of my family trying to convince me that I didn't have to be nappy headed to prove to the world that I”m black (their assumptions, not mine). There's a reason my mother; after having seen my natural hair for the first time while visiting for a college awards ceremony, drove the four hours to our home and fell in a chair and cried (not tears of joy). There's a reason my sister, on my birthday, hovered over my head with an open canister of perm and a comb and seriously tried to perm my hair, guerilla style (as a gift). So, is the issue with me, or is the issue with the fact that the defacto hair style for black women is straight hair, and the “militant” look is one that requires no actual processes at all?
    The issue I have is how black women take the standards handed to them generations ago by some folks that look nothing like them, and then press them onto each other. When naturals decide that not only will they not hold to those standards, but they're vocal about the damage that those standards have done (physically, psychologically, emotionally), then we're told to get over our issues.

    It sounds so much like white people telling black people to get over slavery.

  16. Miss Marche 7 October 2009 at 3:44 pm Permalink

    Aisha,

    It's not ironic. That was the point.

    I too have an interest in natural hair. But I'm becoming disturbed by natural women demanding that anyone else who isn't natural should fess up and explain why they aren't.

    I understand the history behind black women's hair in this country. I don't need a primer, I've lived it. At the same time, no other woman owes me an explanation as to why she wears her hair a certain way. I truly believe that a lot of our issues are internal, and they come raging out when someone choses a different path than we did.

    There's nothing wrong with having a discussion about the whys of relaxing, pressing, straightening. But condemning other women that do it doesn't win a natural woman any brownie points. Who are you impressing at the end of the day? I've found that the easiest way to show people the beauty of being natural is to just live and let live, as anonymous @ 10:16 said. If you want so badly to take on the ideals of society, then just use your own hair to make a statement.

  17. Un-Relaxed! 7 October 2009 at 3:50 pm Permalink

    @PoliBohoGlam

    Beautiful post and – in case you didn't know it – you and your hair are awesomely pretty too. I'm soo glad you didn't listen to the negative things your family said about your natural hair!

  18. tracyata 7 October 2009 at 4:01 pm Permalink

    @ Sugabella – Thanks for bringing the truth in a respectful however no-holds barred style. You were able to articulate key points a few commentaries were trying to get at. Unfortunately, most of the commentaries are have been stricken with a serious case of political correctness or straight up DENIAL to the point where we can't even ACKNOWLEDGE that 80% of black women world wide straightening their heads is the furtherest thing from a CHOICE and is the most straight forward example of how COLONIZED our minds still are.

    Straightening your hair on a regular basis is the equivalent of bleaching your skin. Yet, many black americans think bleaching is extreme. But it's no more extreme than frying your hair. If we were so in love with our skin and hair so much, why would we try to drastically alter it all the time? Despite the financial and health costs. HELLO folks. We've been brainwashed to think that any black (please stop saying African) is less valuable, and our hair and skin are two of the main racial identifiers.

    It's not about trying to BE white because everyone knows you will never be able to achieve that. But is about trying to achieve an octroon, quadroon, mixed-chick phenotype and hoping that you'll get the privileges that have historically come with the closer association to whites.

  19. Sugabelly 7 October 2009 at 4:03 pm Permalink

    @HappieGoLuckie:

    Oh, of course, I definitely agree with you that there are exceptions. I'm sorry if you read what I wrote and took it to mean that I meant ALL people.

    If you notice I said Black WOMEN not Black CHILDREN.

    Many of us were first subjected to relaxer as children by our parents. We were not in charge of most of our decisions then and our parents made the decisions for us.

    I definitely do not blame any Black child with relaxed hair as they are simply following their parents' directions.

    However, this does not mean that relaxing the hair of a child or surrounding a child with people with relaxed hair does not have a negative impact on the self-image/identity of the child, because it does. I'm just pointing out that obviously children cannot be held responsible for their hair circumstances.

    Also, I deliberately avoided using the phrase "self-hate" because it tends to spark these fiery shitstorms. I used dislike as a less severe and more neutral word. I'm sorry but I have to use a word. I'm not saying that straightened hair is the sum of who you are, but I am saying that straightened hair reveals at least ONE thing about you: Either that you don't like your own hair (as it grows out of your head). Or that you prefer the look of someone else's or some other group's hair to your own.

    @Anonymous 1:32: Okay first of all, the whole point of the argument against relaxers is not even necessarily that relaxers are chemicals.

    That is just by the way. Relaxers just happen to be chemicals.

    I think you're missing the point.

    The point is, relaxers could be a puff of magical smoke from the gates of Jupiter and we would STILL be against them because Black women use them to destroy their natural hair texture in order to fit in (at least hair-wise) with women of other races, thereby devaluing the natural hair in the eyes of the world.

    Of course, there is also the side effect that relaxers just so happen to be these harsh, dangerous, burning chemicals that burn people's scalps and make their hairlines disappear, but that's all completely secondary.

    Also, it doesn't really make sense to say 'oh you can't knock relaxer because you use other chemicals'

    Well guess what? Everything on Earth is pretty much a damn chemical.

    By that logic, we shouldn't drink water. H20 anyone? It even has its own empirical formula. By that argument you shouldn't eat any food. Carbohydrates are made of Carbon and Hydrogen while Proteins are made of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Nitrogen. What the hell are we eating????

    I think you are focusing on the wrong thing in my argument. The dangerous chemical factor of relaxers is simply an EXTRA reason why we shouldn't use relaxers but it is definitely NOT the main reason.

  20. Sugabelly 7 October 2009 at 4:03 pm Permalink

    By the way, last time I checked, makeup does not permanently alter your skin. It washes off at night and your skin is unharmed. The chemicals in chemically grown food were designed with the purpose of being BENEFICIAL to the plants. Sure, the ACTUAL benefits of chemically grown food are debatable, and of course, no human artifice will ever be good enough to rival Nature, but as far as insidious intent goes, the chemicals in our foods are harmless.

    I honestly think it's derailing to try and justify relaxer by means of make up. Seriously yo, I'm just saying.

    And yes, Black women straighten their hair for various SECONDARY reasons, but at the end of the day most straighten their hair for ONE underlying reason: to conform to the looks of other women in the world/to fit in with other women of the world/ to be considered beautiful the way other women in the world are.

    @The other Anonymous:

    Do I think that all the problems Black women faced would disappear if all Black women stopped relaxing their hair? No.

    But I do believe that at least ONE SUPER MAJOR PROBLEM that Black women have been grappling with for decades would disappear if all Black women stopped relaxing their hair.

    So yeah, it's not just hair, and guess what? Relaxing your hair is NOT just a personal decision. Your relaxed hair affects children (and adults) within a certain radius of you and that is why other people have the right to be concerned about it, because children are impressionable and your relaxed hair is leaving straight impressions on them when those grooves should be kinky.

    If Oprah Winfrey appeared on her show with her natural kinky hair it would create dramatic shockwaves everywhere. How's that for a "personal decision that doesn't affect anybody?"

  21. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 4:37 pm Permalink

    the reason i subscribe to the "get over it, it's just hair" motto is because, you cannot change other people's minds but you can change yours and not let other's people's opinions of you destroy your self-confidence. some men do like light-skin and curly hair… SO WHAT! some whites do think we are less than… SO WHAT! i KNOW that i am a beautiful woman regardless of what the world is doing. your confidence has to start from within. you cannot change the world but you do have the power to change yourself and the way that you think about things. a better question is, why are you allowing what other people think to affect you so much? let them be ignorant and move yourself to higher ground.

    stop letting people have so much power over your thoughts and your decisions. i chose to be natural because it's my choice. i don't give a damn (sorry) what other people think about that decision. yea some men tell me i looked better this way or that but i refuse to let their opinions make me feel less than. i am a queen and if they can't see that's on them.

    and i'm out….

  22. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 4:52 pm Permalink

    I can only speak from my own personal experience, and I can say is "DO YOU" but dont except everyone to agree with it. I have been weaved up and relaxed for most of my adult life. Until one day I reliazed that the relaxers and the sew ins were just not for me anymore. I was spending $$$ and that just wasn't cool anymore.All I ever knew growing up was that you had to relax your hair once you entered into middle school, thee was no other options. Flat irons and hot combs would take too long, and my poor mother just didn't have the patients. Over the years a relaxer was just socially acceptable and kept you save from being called "NAPPY HEADED HOE". When day was having my weave sewin and I looked around the roomI would say 60% of the women who wore weaves had badly damaged hair. Their hair was uneven, broken off in certain areas,dry, and just straight up damaged! I took a look in the mirror and reliazed that there was nothing wrong with my hair, so why in the hell was I having some poor Indian womans hair sewn to my head. It was really like an epiphany.not all, but many black women relax and wear weaves because they have no idea how to take care of their own hair! wasn't that a damn shame, and I was one of them. I started reading books on relaxers, and I felt super stupid for having put that toxic waste on my head. I really wanted to slap myself. I started paying attention to the females at my job who were also relaxer and weave queens like myself. Whenever they didn't have on a weave they had on a wig. if they couldn't get the weaves, they got the weave ponytails. Once every thousand years we would all get a glimpse of each others real hair, and i can say I was not impressed. Most of the womens hair suffered from split ends,short hair, and limp hair. My hair was long, but it was limp like somany weave wearing females. I personally believe there are many different reasons black women wear weave. They are either too lazy to do their own hair,they have damaged hair, they love to change up their styles. I would probably believe the excuse of changing up styles if you didn't have a weave attached to your head 10 months out of 12 months a year. Some people will find my post hardcore, but I've lived in three different states and the weave and relaxer stories never change. I've been natural for three years, and I wil never go back to my weave and relaxer queen ways.

  23. HappieGoLuckie 7 October 2009 at 4:54 pm Permalink

    @ PoliBohoGlam 11:03 AM:

    Well said sister! I think the term "it's just hair" is complex. For example, a close friend of mine mother has breast cancer & is afraid of losing her mid-back length hair (God Bless her soul). I reassured her that it really was just hair and that it would grow back & stronger than ever. See that's what I see as just hair. It grows!

    On the other hand, It can be hurtful depending on the context for which it is being used. Like you said, it's like non-blacks telling black ppl to get over slavery and wondering why everything has to be about race when we've been given a ginormous amount of opportunities (as if we only use race as a scapegoat). Even relaxed women I've encountered (my personal experience) know it isn't always just hair. JMO.

    Someone comment in the past, why we give our hair so much power? While I think it's an excellent question, I don't think it's we the black ppl, alone ,giving our hair power. I believe the world, in general, is obsessed with LENGTH. How many white chicks do you see sporting cute pixie cuts? Not many. At the same time. While I believe people are becoming more appreciative and accepting toward natural hair, I still feel like there's a "don't push my button mentality" with natural hair.

    Remember the New Yorker front cover with Barrack and Michelle. I always wonder, why the satirist gave Michelle an afro instead of her regular locks? Yes, it was a satire, but there was a subliminal message that he was trying to send. If our hair was just hair, why are there numerous of blogs geared toward black women with relaxed hair and black women with natural hair. I've yet to find blogs like these for white women (correct me if I'm wrong). Personally, relaxed or natural, I think it's FUN learning about our hair and the issues that come with it. You also made an EXCELLENT point concerning black men. Regardless of race, I think we as woman want to look appealing to all men. Unfortunately they have their preferences. LOL, while I don't have a preference for men in any particular race..I will say most of the black or white men who approach me are older and LOVE my natural hair! lol.

    Anywho…I'm really excited and hoping to hear more from Lola Jaye. @ Aisha 9:39 AM, while I agree that Lola was stepping into a ring (LMAO)…I still hope she can benefit from reading some of the comments. The last thing I want her or anyone to do is run away. There is so many essential information we as natural can provide for the hair care community (whether it be to permies, hair stylist, hair schools). I say provide help where it's needed and don't underestimate anyone regardless of their hair choices.

  24. Lovelei 7 October 2009 at 4:55 pm Permalink

    I think that at the end of the day it's all about choice. White women who perm thier hair (Make it curly) don't consider psycological issues and I don't think that all black women who relax should automatically be accused of self hate either.

    However, I don't think that many black women are making a CONSCIOUS choice to relax as much as they are undergoing a right of passage.

    Personally I did not consider the choice to stop relaxing my hair until recently. I used to think there was no choice and the only black women to don't relax probably didn't need to.

    I remember having conversations with other kids who had not relaxed as soon as I did about WHEN (not IF) they would do so. I can tell you right now the answer was never "I don't want to." but always something about thier parents postponing it.

    It seems that most white, Asian and hispanic women rock thier natural texture and some don't. Contrastly most black women relax and some don't. That is not a result of conscious choice.

    I personally don't think relaxers should be eliminated but I would love to see natural hair more. After all it is our natural hair Jeez! It's amazing that so many women I talk to find it so hard to just leave thier hair alone.

    Also I had an interesting conversation with my husband about my transition and he admitted that he did not like the "afro look". He said that he prefered "sleek hair". Then I thought back to my days as a teen when boys would rave about my permed hair.

    One day I ran down the street and all the boys on my block stopped to watch me run. I was dressed for winter so the only thing visibile was my face and freshly dominican blown out long locks swinging. They were mesmerized!!

    What would the effect have been if I had long natural hair I wonder?

    Maybe men have a lot to do with our hair choices too. After all what young woman does not want to be desired?

  25. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 5:09 pm Permalink

    Please may I applaud anon 3:32 AM for so eloquently putting what I was attempting to say!!

    "I hope that for every woman who stands on a soapbox of "embrace your natural self," that that is reflected in ALL aspects of their lives.

    I see natural hair but I see that same woman painting her face with chemically filled makeup each morning. I see natural hair women and yet they are eating chemically processed food, they use harsh cleaning products and so on. So I always find it a bit comical when a natural woman will speak at lengths about embracing your natural self and yet the only reflection of their natural self is through their hair and no other part of their life."
    ——————————–
    I dont understand why some of us are so judgemental considering that a large majority of us were once relaxed ourselves.
    For the record I did not relax my hair because I wanted to be white – I was simply under the impression that my hair was easier to manage when straight and since I had been relaxed since I was a young child I SIMPLY DID NOT KNOW ANY BETTER until I woke up one day and educated myself about the benefits of being natural.
    Granted, there are those confused souls whose goal in straightening their hair is to appear more white but I find it an insult to the collective intelligence of ALL relaxed black women to state that relaxing hair equates to self-hatred and a strong desire to be white.
    When Asian/Chinese women straighten their hair its acceptable but God forbid a black woman should desire straight hair – she must want to be a white woman!!! *rolls eyes*

    Some of you are so quick to preach about being natural but you are wearing the clothes designed by a a white man and heavily influenced by the western ideals of beauty and fashion/ using products on your body and face created by a white man and using the inventions of a white man – is it because you secretly want to be white too? hmmm…i wonder!

  26. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 5:19 pm Permalink

    I don't understand what's wrong with enjoying something that is mainstream. Is it unoriginal? Maybe. Is it a crime against your culture? NO! It's human nature. Michelle Obama wears a certain shade of yellow and all of a sudden you see it in all the stores. The same with hair cuts, colors and styles (frohawk anyone?) None of us are as original as we like to think.

    The fact is that most black women relax their hair (and I agree that it may not be a conscious choice because it starts from such a young age). But for those who choose to keep their relaxers, what is so wrong with enjoying a MAINSTREAM hairstyle? Many women may not find natural hair appealing because they don't want to wear WNGs, twists, or puffs. Maybe those aren't styles that they would choose to see on themselves. I've been natural for nearly 10 years and I would never go out in public with bantu-knots. I've seen them on other people and they can look great. On my head, heck no. Its a style choice that's just not me. Most days I wear my hair in a bun and many people may not even realize that I'm natural. Am I not living up to some responsibility to "represent" since I make these choices for myself?

    Like it or not, there is a "norm" and most people will choose to be included with the majority. It may be as simple as that.

  27. Aisha 7 October 2009 at 6:39 pm Permalink

    Miss Marche said:
    "I too have an interest in natural hair. But I'm becoming disturbed by natural women demanding that anyone else who isn't natural should fess up and explain why they aren't."
    _____________________________________

    I understand your point. But to me it just didn't apply to this situation because Lola willingly wrote that post and entered a discussion at a natural hair blog. It's a hot button topic and she had to know she was opening herself up to critique. Now if random naturals are approaching her about her style choice, then I'd have a problem…

  28. Aisha 7 October 2009 at 7:17 pm Permalink

    Anonymous said:
    "But for those who choose to keep their relaxers, what is so wrong with enjoying a MAINSTREAM hairstyle? "

    ___________________________________

    When you feel like you have no other choice but to wear a MAINSTREAM hairstyle, then there is a problem.

    When you are fighting your hair tooth and nail and damaging it to wear a MAINSTREAM hairstyle, then there is a problem.

    When you feel like your hair is too ugly in its natural state to see the light of day, then there is a problem.

    When you don't even know what your natural hair texture IS, then there is a problem.

    Is something really a choice when you have no other options?

  29. Liza 7 October 2009 at 7:27 pm Permalink

    I've been natural all my life and never had a problem finding/dating black men. The men I've dated loved my hair and its curly/kinkiness. My BLACK husband loves it also. Stop using men or society as a reason to wear your hair a certain way. That is B.S.

  30. Sugabelly 7 October 2009 at 7:27 pm Permalink

    @Aisha:

    To add to what you said.

    Dear Anonymous:

    When the only time you enjoy your hair is when it is in a "MAINSTREAM HAIRSTYLE" then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong.

  31. Karua 7 October 2009 at 8:06 pm Permalink

    I agree with you 100% Sugabelly, but also something I want to point out. Like other people have said you just do what you've grown up doing and you just never think very deeply about it.

    For instance, even though my parents never used bad words to describe my hair and my mom didn't want me to get a relaxer, I begged her to get it because all my other friends were getting it and I felt like a baby with natural hair. So personally, I don't agree that just because your family is supportive you're going to think your hair is beautiful, like someone before said. Perhaps if you're homeschooled or always at home, but not if you're out in the real world were most black women have straight hair. You want to be a woman, you want to be beautiful and when you see most beautiful black women with straight hair, you're very likely going to covet it too.

    I never had a problem with my real hair to be honest. I hated relaxing my hair but I just never considered that there was another option until a couple years ago, my boyfriend in high school asked me why I didn't just stop if I hated it. And it made me think. And then I was like *epiphany moment*, and I stopped. I didn't dislike my natural hair when I had a relaxer, I just didn't think that it was an option to stop. Same thing with my mom. She started transitioning shortly after me and BCed soon after I did also.

    I'm not saying you're wrong but I think alot of women just really don't think about it very deeply since that's just what you grew up on. Yes, I don't doubt there are lots of women with some conscious/subconscious issues but I think more women than we think just never considered natural hair as an option and when it's presented in a way that seems possible are more receptive to it.

    (That's not to say that ignorance excuses influencing others though. My friends sure influenced me just by the fact that they had straight hair.)

  32. iman 7 October 2009 at 8:23 pm Permalink

    I think a lot of women still keep dancing around the issue of choice.

    I am one of the only black women I know who never had a relaxer as a child. I made a CHOICE as grown a** adult to relax my hair and I made another CHOICE to return to my natural hair.

    Before I had my first relaxer, most black women I knew were always shocked that I never relaxed my hair! Also, their shock was always peppered with a little bit of “how did you survive!?” or “your parents must have been real strict” as if nappy hair is some type of punishment. Of course my parents weren’t strict at all. My mom didn’t relax and she didn’t bash relaxers in the house either. She just made it clear to me that when I became an adult I could choose to permanently change my hair however I wanted, however she was not going to make that choice for me. My nappy hair was not some sort of EMERGENCY situation that she needed to take care of when I was a child. My nappy hair was fine as is and by her creating that environment for me, I was able to 1. learn to take care of my hair and 2. realize how beautiful it was as is.

    MOST black women have never had the chance to exercise CHOICE in that order.

    The CHOICE should not be about choosing whether to go natural, the CHOICE should be about choosing whether or not to chemically treat your hair.

    WE HAVE IT BACKWARDS.

    You make a CHOICE to chemically alter your hair; you don’t make a CHOICE to wear your hair naturally. THAT SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT not the “OPTION”.

    You cannot look at the phenomenon of black women chemically straightening their hair worldwide and not recognize how white supremacy has played a role in what is considered beautiful and mainstream.
    When it comes to beauty, all women conform to the “mainstream” in some way regardless of race. However, as black people we need challenge mainstream notions of beauty that are informed by a history of racist, warped and extreme views of black people and our dominant physical characteristics.

    When we can create an environment where our hair type is 1. better accommodated by the beauty industry; 2. widely accepted in all professions; and 3. cast a beautiful by the mainstream; we will be able to exercise CHOICE in a more meaningful way. Some of this is already happening, but we’re still not 100 percent there. Furthermore I feel like we’ve hit a road black with people in the “natural community” falling victim to the hair hierarchy and trading in going through extremes for relaxed tresses to going through extremes to achieve the “biracial curl.”

    I meet black woman all the time who tell me they would love to go natural, but they can’t because they don’t have hair “like mine”. Keep in mind that I’m a 4a. This is just an example of how we have such a negative view of nappy hair many of us can’t believe that your hair can be nappy and grow long, feel soft or just look good. People have negative ideas of their own hair and half of them have never even seen or handled it in any significant way.

    Again, this is why CHOICE is much more complicated than we’d like to admit.

  33. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 8:59 pm Permalink

    "Dear Anonymous:

    When the only time you enjoy your hair is when it is in a "MAINSTREAM HAIRSTYLE" then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong."

    Why so? Many, many people have preferential HAIRSTYLES. Dreads are a style choice. A bob is a style choice. A twa is a style choice. I know someone who has had a TWA for as long as I've known her. That is the hairstyle style that she prefers. I can't see her with long hair. I also know someone who's worn her relaxed hair in a bob for 10 years. Both of them are making the same choice to keep their hair in a certain state that they enjoy. One is not wrong because it's more common than the other. Most people are, in fact, resistant to change if they have a system that works for them.

  34. lilmissjohnson 7 October 2009 at 9:18 pm Permalink

    so this interview left me with the feeling of "so what?"

    we all know that being natural doesn't necessarily mean you're more in touch with your african roots or blackness. and we all know that being relaxed doesn't necessarily mean that you are not in touch with you african roots or blackness.

    She didn't say anything of any real worth.

    Don't get me wrong, the questions were good. But she barely even touched on the real questions at hand. So if you agree with her, so do I…We haven't agreed to anything but air and common sense. We know (or should know) that everyone has a reason for being natural or relaxed. Or changing your hair color from brown to green. Or going to the military vs going to college. These choices come along as long as we're breathing regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, religion, hair texture, etc. These choices will always be influenced politically, socially, and psychologically. And we're always going to perceived as something else by other people. But at the end of the day, only we will know why we make our own personal choices.

    So my response to this interview is still "so what?"

  35. Anonymous 7 October 2009 at 9:41 pm Permalink

    All hail the natural nazi's!!!!! They have arrived in full force! I feel like we're in SCHOOL DAZE and the war between the wannabes and the jigaboos is still raging on! LOL.

    JC I love your site and honestly its one of the few natural sites that doesn't indulge this natural vs relaxed NONSENSE so…

    please dont change!! for many of us IT WILL ALWAYS BE JUST HAIR and there are far more important issues in this world to get heated about!

  36. iman 7 October 2009 at 9:55 pm Permalink

    I forgot to add. One of the things that I love most about the natural online hair community is that it’s one of the few web-based environments where black people aren’t arguing or tearing each other down. Even offline, I’m always pleased at how natural black woman freely compliment each other all the time about their hair. I’ve received compliments from many black women and have freely shared hair advice and traded funny hair-related stories with complete strangers.

    Because of this, I always have to remind myself about how important it is that we treat each other with kindness. I don’t agree with many of Lola’s answers, but I respect her sharing her opinion and applaud her book success.

  37. Black girl with long hair 7 October 2009 at 9:57 pm Permalink

    @ anonymous 5:41… you are entitled to your opinion (which is why i published it), but i take issue with your statements. the MAJORITY of this site is about styling and haircare. And when topics of more personal/social significance are discussed, it is NEVER a free-for-all relaxed chick bashing. and i also cast a critical eye within the natural community. for example we have discussed naturals' tendency to hoard products, to make largely baseless allegations that their hair keeps them from professional advancement and to be dissatisfied with more tightly coiled textures.

    i have held my tongue on this, but i find it very frustrating that people access the site when they need the style ideas and haircare help, but as soon as one uncomfortable topic comes up, they want to discredit the whole operation as run by hair nazis.

    a reader SUGGESTED that i contact lola jaye. as i was in the process of figuring out how to reach her, a contact for her publisher fell into my lap. she AND her publisher were involved in this entire process. they answered all my questions. i answered their's. lola jaye knew what was involved. we both thought it was a great opportunity to delve deeper into her opinions while also profiling her as a very talented author.

    i spent time in the interview talking about something OTHER than hair — her impressive literary career thus far — and i was respectful in my questioning.

    yes some commenters on this thread have become a bit rabid, but if you look through most threads on this blog i try my best not to block or censor discussion, even at the expense of my image.

    i don't want to be the whiny blogger, so i'll stop here. but it would be much appreciated if you would consider ALL factors before making a snap (and anonymous) judgment about this blog.

  38. SistaOpinion 8 October 2009 at 4:12 am Permalink

    I'm sitting here loudly applauding Sugabelly for telling the REAL TRUTH about this whole hair thing.

    I'm also sitting here wondering whether people actually READ comments before posting their own.

    Thank you so much for this conversation, BGLH. For once, I have nothing to add!

  39. Jc 8 October 2009 at 9:36 am Permalink

    Let me first just say that I'm a pretty diehard fan of Leila and BGLH. However, much like you anon 5:41, I also do not like or care for arguments on relaxed or natural hair.

    I have found that the voice of reason (believe me there are plenty of reasonable comments even in this debate) is sometimes thwarted by the voice of bigotry and intolerance.

    I have a lot of respect for Leila and this blog. Leila criticism comes with the territory don't take it personally. Believe me there are plenty of people who have come over to my site and thought, ugh too much science and then clicked over to the link I have for your site ;)!

  40. Anonymous 8 October 2009 at 12:34 pm Permalink

    'Natural nazis"! What about the millions of 'relaxed nazis" burning their 4 year old daughter's fragile hair and scalp with relaxer chemicals? Or disparaging afro textured hair as dirty and unkempt?

    It's the relaxed nazis that are in the vast majority within the black community, though it's clear that the tide is starting to turn, and this is agitating many relaxed heads.

    Personally I don't have any problem with relaxed hair as a styling option, if and only if it is truely an option that all black women feel they can take or leave, safe in the knowledge that their natural hair texture is always considered beautiful and acceptable JUST AS IT IS.

    We are not at this ideally balanced state, though some people such as Lola like to pretend we are. We are actually at the most extreme edge, hanging far out on a limb with severly damaged hair and alopecia epidemic amongst black women. We're out on a limb, where feeding the appetite for real hair wigs and weaves is creating a billion dollar industry in India of raping poor local women of their hair.
    The UK pop star Jamelia, made a documentary 2 years ago about the source of weaves in India and Eastern Europe. What she discovered in India about hair being cut from corpses, scavanged from massive rubbish tips, and effectively stolen from the poorest of the poor coerced into shaving their hair off by corrupt temple priests to sacrifice to their gods, who then sell it on to hair factories, is absolutely horrifying. I don't know if Chris Rock's documentary will go over the same material, but I do hope he does as this information needs to get out there.
    Some youtube clips from Jamelia's programme -
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDVMgNMOl3M
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWRCiqylh-A

  41. Anonymous 8 October 2009 at 12:40 pm Permalink

    This is anon 5:41 – black girl long hair I meant I love your site too as well as JCs site – I just got confused between the two of you and forgot you were the owner of this site as opposed to the natural haven – JC's site! Sorry!

    Like JC's site I also view your site as a place to escape from the natural vs relaxed ridiculous-ness… all my posts submitted here have clearly stated my dislike of relaxed women bashing.

    The natural nazi statement was just a joke as was my reference to feeling like I was in the movie schooldaze.
    I like that you advocate being natural but do so in a way that does not put relaxed heads down – I share exactly the same sentiments so thanks for publishing my comments all the same!

  42. PoliBohoGlam 8 October 2009 at 2:20 pm Permalink

    1. Un-relaxed: Thanks so much for your sentiments. I appreciate it.
    2. I have always done what I wanted, including rocking and loving my natural hair even when my family didn't, which is why they're coming around.
    3. I don't think there's really an issue of bashing relaxed ladies. I think there's an issue of bashing the things that bring us to the point where we feel the need to relax.

    This is not a 21st or 20th century issue. There's so much history in all of it and psychology behind it. We can't pretend like this is brand new.
    It seems to me that ladies who feel attacked by comments about relaxers and such, that they internalize those negative feelings others have about the social construct of relaxing kinky hair. But, I don't think the beef is really with the women.

    I've never heard anyone say that natural hair makes you more in touch with your African heritage. I've never even heard a natural head say that she went natural to "be in touch with her African roots". It's really all more complex than that.

    I don't sit around and bash on relaxed ladies. I also hope that we can actually discuss some truth about the history, context, and social strains that bring us to the point of chemical alteration, public perception, etc. without it being watered down to "relaxed vs. natural". That just keeps us from getting to a more real and broad discussion of things.

    If I had a fight. If I had a war. It wouldn't be against any relaxed woman. It would be against the history and society that has brought us to the "relaxed vs. natural" debate.

  43. PoliBohoGlam 8 October 2009 at 2:52 pm Permalink

    HappieGoLuckie:
    I appreciate that you get where I was coming from.

    And by the way, ladies, Asian and Latino women actually do have their own set of issues surrounding straight hair, light skin, even eye shape and yes, much of it does have to do with looking white or looking "whiter".

    Colonialism and International super powers impact more than just black women.

  44. TornInBetween 8 October 2009 at 3:56 pm Permalink

    (Sorry for typo's).This topic touched a nerve. Because I'm more in the middle with the "hair" issue, I believe it touched an IMPORTANT, yet UNCOMFORTABLE nerve. While, we'll always have individuals at the far end of the spectrum (both permed and relaxed), I hope in the years to come, we can have mutual understanding for one another.*hugs*

    Ladies, whether we agree, disagree, agree to disagree, I'm here to say that I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS. For those who think this debate has been going back & forth with no solution…I got something out of it! I'm sure other ppl have as well. I'll list what I've got:

    1.) Even as natural representatives on this blog, we were all ONCE RELAXED and should never forget that! While we're all uniquely beautiful, talk to a sistah who has NEVER had a relaxer and speak to an individual like myself who was "briefly" natural as a child, relaxed for years, and decided embrace her natural texture. Our realities are very different. Therefore, we will view the hair issue differently.

    2.) Where the issue gets sticky is here: Let's say, 85% of us DID NOT use a relaxer bc we wanted to conform to the European standard of beauty. Yes, technically we did bc we had "straight hair", but it was not solely to look "white". Something that has been ingrained in your head from time immemorial becomes "natural". Relaxing was/is "natural" to a lot of us here and abroad. Plain and simple.

    3.) This goes along with what IMAN said about CHOICE: What I'm getting is that a large majority of the posters here did not know that they had a CHOICE to wear their hair natural. Let's be honest, for most of us natural hair was only used as a "waiting period" for this "rite of passage". I think it's synonymous to removing one's body hair (by means of waxing, shaving, plucking, etc). Mothers/ppl don't expect for young girls to shave their legs or arm pits. However, at a certain point in time…it's something you have to you do or else you'll be considered "unclean".

    Same thing w/ natural hair. For whatever reason, mothers thought it was "smarter"/"appropriate" to wait until their daughters were 10-14 yrs of age to relax. On the other hand, mothers like my mom decided to go ahead at the age of 4/5. Once again, the blame cannot be placed SOLELY on us (this generation). So, as HappieGoLucky said (10-7 3:28 AM) it's like filial imprinting. You following the leader with no if's, but's or maybe's. Clearly, WE HERE were the exception to that rule (lol, the bad ducks).

    4.) A fair amount of posters here believe it's just hair. If the home girl to the right decides to use a relaxer, don't knock her for it. If home girl to the left transitions to natural hair leave her be.

    5.) Adding on to the "just hair" debate, I think many of us here all believe that having natural hair doesn't equate being at one with the Motherland, or other stereotypes we are categorized as including, but not limited to "earthy, neo-soul, granola, etc. This mentality needs to stop as well! We all go natural for different reasons!

    6.) Finally, as Miss Lola Jaye stated we shouldn't be branded as "this" or "that" just because of our hair choices. Like the late MLK stated, we should be judged by the content of our character, instead of the color of our skin or even hair.

    SORRY for the LONG post, but here is the question I pose, what is the CRUX of the disagreement? From JC, to Sugabelly, to HappieGoLuckie, to IMAN…I mean I agree with a lot of what you women are saying. Why can't we combine ALL of those thoughts and reach out to women in our community (both relaxed, transitioning and natural)? Or Anon @ 5:41 who unjustly branded posters here as "Natural Nazis", what are your inspirations in the near future in relation to natural hair?

  45. soyluv 8 October 2009 at 5:26 pm Permalink

    sugabelly–talk de damn talk gyul!

  46. HappieGoLuckie 8 October 2009 at 5:44 pm Permalink

    Anon @ 5:41, while I now see you were being sarcastic. I still believe terms such as "Natural Nazi", "relax Nazi", divide us instead of bringing us together. Once again, we really should be mindful of how we project ourselves. INCLUDING ME!

    Here's my belief: in physics, to every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction! Two wrongs don't make a right and the ignorance comes from both sides. Yet, at times I feel the blame game always goes back to the natural hair community. We're branded as too "knit-picky", disregarding some of the harsh criticism some of us have had to face and are still facing.

    BGLH said it BEAUTIFULLY: i have held my tongue on this, but i find it very frustrating that people access the site when they need the style ideas and haircare help, but as soon as one uncomfortable topic comes up, they want to discredit the whole operation as run by hair nazis.

    BGLH, you're RIGHT and it isn't fair! My response to all the contributors of BGLH (Leila, J, etc.) is KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO chicas! The amount of women subscribing to your blog daily shows that you are assisting in giving black women a better understanding of natural hair and some of the issues that go a long with it! You've talked about natural hair in Africa, Europe, & the Caribbean. We've discussed "hair texture" issue. You've talked about natural hair in the workplace, acceptance/ non-acceptance in our black community. You've talked about men's take on natural hair. You've done AMAZING and GREAT work! Why should these issues be ignored? I think we should support ALL natural hair blogs instead of singling them out, when dealing with uncomfortable topics. We will all not agree, but imagine if we didn't have these sort of sites. I'm not sure if I can say I would still be natural. The Internet has really assisted in our understanding of our own hair.

    Nonetheless, to my Natural sistahs: Let us lead by example and let our ACTIONS speak louder than our words! We may think our voices are being ignored but it's not! There are TONS of women who are transitioning or wanting to learn more about natural hair in order to transition in the future….if that's the case, do WE really think we're being inclusive when we use vulgar terms such as "she's weaves because she wants to look white"? That's not fair either! If anything it's makes some ppl remain with the status quo.

    I can't speak for everyone but this is what I don't want. I DON'T believe we should have this separate but equal mentality toward relax and natural hair (even though at times I feel we do). Why? Because as Iman and Sugabelly said, ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE NATURAL BY DEFAULT…not the other way around. As Mimiiscurly said: we need to support each other!

    Furthermore, we need to compromise and understand that sporting one's hair natural might be a "temporary" choice for one chick and a lifetime goal for another. But this should not mean that we have to undermine each other's decision/experience. Maybe that's where the issue ATM comes from? It's not really about natural vs. relax..it could be the some feel there's a lack a empathy when it comes to discussing one's experience. It's easier to say it's just hair instead of discussing the underlying issue. Maybe some aren't taking well to the "it's just hair" ideology? SMH..I don't know? Any suggestions?

    Anywho…BGLH I applaud you for all the efforts you have done with the this blog. You and other natural hair bloggers are an inspiration to me and other women (permed & relaxed) whether we admit it or not. As JC said, the criticism comes with the territory. xoxo

  47. HappieGoLuckie 8 October 2009 at 6:33 pm Permalink

    @Sugabelly,you've made some excellent points! Don't feel sorry, I did not misunderstand you..I just wanted to make sure that we are careful with how we deal with women who relax their hair. Lol, anywho we agree, BTW…LOL, you're so cute and fiesty! LOVE IT!
    ———————————–
    Iman @ 4:23pm said:
    MOST black women have never had the chance to exercise CHOICE in that order.
    The CHOICE should not be about choosing whether to go natural, the CHOICE should be about choosing whether or not to chemically treat your hair.
    WE HAVE IT BACKWARDS.
    You make a CHOICE to chemically alter your hair; you don’t make a CHOICE to wear your hair naturally. THAT SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT not the “OPTION”.
    ———————————–
    Honey, you've made some Fabulous and excellent points!! I don't think anyone would disagree with what you said and I don't think anyone is ignoring the issue ATM. There are just WAAAY to many comments and it's hard to respond to all of them, LOL. We really do have it backwards, as you've said. But how do we fix the problem? It's not that simple bc I have many relaxed friends who consider natural hair more as an option than default, if you know what I mean. You don't even know how much I cringe at the statements "not everyone is meant to be natural". WTF? And the person who said that has been relaxed since the age of 7. So, how would she know what "choice" is? While it's "partially true"(if you wanna relax, relax), I'm just not comfortable with the fact that relaxed hair is used as a default. Anywho..I'm optimistic!! Our children will exercise "real choice". I have a friend who was natural for 2 yrs and is now relaxed..I also believe she's exercised "her choice". You're right…there is a difference!

    I agree with Sugabelly that it starts @ home, but I also agree with other posters who say that home, alone, will not solve all the problem. I think we really need to open the floor to black hair stylists and cosmetology schools. Natural hair care should be in the curriculum as much as treating relaxed hair or braiding/weaving techniques.

    While many of us tend to do our own hair, due to the lack of natural hair specialists and cost, we have to reach out. I think we're doing just that with Natural hair shows, meet-ups, etc. But I still think we can do more. Like I said, I'm really not for the separate but equal mentality (you stay on your side, I'll stay on mine).
    ———————————–
    @ PoliBohoGlam said… fantastic points! You know I take two of Maya's Angelou's quotes to heart: 1.) "History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again". 2.)"I've learned that you shouldn't go through life with a catcher's mitt on both hands; you need to be able to throw something back".
    While I don't revolve my life around my "hair", my mom + 5 of my closest friends are now natural. Lol, at least I know I lead by example :-) Like you said earlier, we first have to acknowledge that there are issues before we can more forward. JMO.

  48. NEA 9 October 2009 at 2:29 pm Permalink

    Sugabelly pretty much nailed it, and I'm not sure why she's receiving so much flack. Don't understand it. Gotta read all of what she said, and comprehend it as well.

    No..white people DO NOT WANT TO BE BLACK, and I wish black people would stop saying that. The "they tan to be like us" mindset is ridiculous!

    So, since we straighten our hair, do we wanna be white? Hmmmm….they tan to be black, but we straighten our hair for…versatility? Okay. I'm a logical person, and that's some faulty logic.

    Yeah, I was once relaxed, and I was crazy when I put that stuff on my scalp, every 8 weeks. Now, I don't give women who relax problems. Do what you like with your hair. I don't harass nobody. BUT, we need to stop and think about why we do what we do…and stop reacting, just because somebody says something we don't like.

    Do all women who relax have issues with self-hatred? Nope. But some (many) do, yet it's up to them to know where they are in the head, and fix it, or stay where they are. There's help if you want it. Some women need to but the relaxer jar down, and think on some things. If you're not part of that "some", then press on, or relax away, or…whatever.

    It's like anything else: If something applies to you, then receive it and do something with it. If it doesn't, then keep on steppin', and stop taking it so personally.

  49. Anonymous 9 October 2009 at 10:00 pm Permalink

    I am a Nigerian and I am PROUD of Ms. Jaye and her accomplishments and I love her hair in the picture.More blessings to her.

    If you are not satisfied with her answers,or the way she answered the question, so what , who cares?

    Why should she justify how she chooses to wear her hair? It is after all, hers. She wrote about HER opinion surrounding the FLOTUS'hair. HER OPINION. Not yours, not mine, and certainly not the opinion of the Nigerian population.

    I personally do not have any angst with my hair, never have,and hopefully never will.

    I have seen burn and acid victims who do not have the CHOICE of how they want to wear their hair.

    Hair to me is just that , hair, dead cells.An accessory to my beautiful body. If it is more than that for you ,enjoy, it is after all your choice.

    If you are self hating and choose to endure the burn, what do I care? If you are self hating and wear your hair natural, what do I care? If you give yourself an ulcer and a headache because of the way you choose to wear your hair when it is not your day job, what do i care?

    I dey go soak Garri joo.

  50. Anonymous 10 October 2009 at 4:07 pm Permalink

    [b]I have to agree with JC 100%.[/b]
    Wow some of these comments are so rife with judgement and stereotype it's sad. Are we as black women REALLY still weeping, wailing, and waiting for the euro-minded folk to love us and our hair to the point we turn on each other for not showing some naptastic unified front? Why do we need validation from ANYONE for our choices.As a woman who went natural about 300 years ago before this whole nappy movement,I didn't need to justify my natural hair then, nor do I expect any woman to justify why she does or doesnt choose to go natural now. I too find it hillarious that everyone is screaming about natural hair while black women have some of the highest rates of obesity and are literally eating themselves to death. To be quite frank, I've heard more men make comments about the state of black women's weight than their hair. As a community we seem reluctant to get up in peoples faces about the chemicals and crap they put inside them. Yet have tremendous passion about the chemicals on their hair. Self love is loving and honoring your WHOLE body and being… or is it ok to prove you love yourself by wearing your nappy hair and let the rest of your body suffer in poor health? Ridiculous!

    Is there such a thing as collective experience? Sure! However, one woman's journey/struggle with her hair, beauty, etc is NOT representative of us ALL so please stop with these generalizations. Some of us genuinely do love ourselves, have ALWAYS loved our hair, have gotten love from "our" men and other men ( I know shocker since they apparently think we are ugly )and are simply not making a nappy hair call to arms a priority in our lives.

    [b]Leila I appreciate the blog styling and product reviews the most! They are fun and I'm loving the curlformers. Keep doing a great job. [/b]

    The political stuff gets tired for old heads that have been there, done that, and are secure enough in ourselves not to have to scream about all things napptural as a defining part of our identities as women. Secret: Your TRUE beauty was never on the top of your head. Once folks understand that, the rest of their angst should fade significantly.


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