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24 November 2009 ~ 35 Comments

Question of the day: Is the media obssessed with how ‘messed up’ black women are?

The recent release of the film “Precious” — about a dark-skinned, overweight, illiterate, sexually abused New York teen who discovers that she is HIV positive — has sparked a lot of discussion in the black community.

Some people (including myself) are glad to see the issue of abuse being spotlighted by the media. Others, including top film critic Armond White, who is black, aren’t so sure.

“Black pathology sells,” he said in a recent NY times article.

Well, I don’t know that it sells. (Last I heard, Chris Rocks’ Good Hair wasn’t doing so hot at the box office.)

But I have seen a pattern of mainstream media fascination with issues that plague black people in general, and black women in particular.

I was once styling my hair in the bathroom when my roommate (who is white and a huge fan of the Tyra Show) passed by the open door. Without missing a beat she said, “I would probably be worried about my hair too if it grew slow.”

“Like mine?” I asked.

I didn’t take offense. It’s a fair statement from someone whose education on black female culture is derived solely from the Tyra Show. But it was troubling. After telling her that rate of hair growth is fairly similar across ethnicities (with some studies showing black hair growing a tad slower), I also felt a need to tell her that, according to the General Social Survey, black women are happier than other American women despite the fact that they face disproportionate challenges.

But you won’t see a New York Times article on that.

So, from Precious, to Good Hair, to the Shaniya Davis tragedy, to Madea, do you think that the media is obsessed with black women’s pathologies?

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35 Responses to “Question of the day: Is the media obssessed with how ‘messed up’ black women are?”

  1. chandra 24 November 2009 at 3:07 am Permalink

    I think the media is obsessed with pathology in general. However I believe historically black people, women and men alike have been more closed with emotional, physical, and economic issues that plague us, it has now become sensational in the media and everyone is “interested.”

  2. Christy Hyman 24 November 2009 at 6:45 am Permalink

    I think the idea that Blacks experience travail such as deviant sexual behaviors, dysfunctional family dynamics, and all other societal pitfalls may subconsciously perpetuate age old stereotypes about black people that established themselves in American Slavery.

    In slavery, there were two families for one room, thus making privacy impossible. But although there was no privacy, enslaved people HAD to have babies(to make the plantation owner more wealthy). Can you imagine having to procreate in the midst of so many people? This type of environment that enslaved people had to be in is the precursor to stereotypes of black men being Mandingos and sex machines, black women being “breeders” and blacks as a whole sexually deviant.

    Unfortunately for some in America the image of a Harvard educated President with black ancestry creates mental distortion, but images like Precious are more “comforting” for lack of a better phrase.

  3. Izzy 24 November 2009 at 10:26 am Permalink

    I couldn’t say it better than Christy Hyman (above) just did. I feel that as a black woman you are pigeonholed into a certain area of ability, intelligence, etc. Even though there are great examples of women who have accomplished so much, they are seen as the exception not the rule. Also, I feel like it is more acceptable for an Oprah, or a Michelle Obama to be regarded as intelligent and successful, but not many younger women are seen as such. They may be out in the world (and on this site! All of you inspire me to be great everyday) but the media doesn’t really show that. The media doesn’t create MY reality, but it does create reality for a lot of people who don’t know how to think for themselves. Remember, when Oprah was younger they picked apart every aspect of her life–especially her weight. But now she’s everybody’s best friend. There was also this article that I came across that used statistics to show that the least desirable mates in marriage are black women and asian men. I’m thinking, “According to whose standard?” Who are they asking and how they know WE want to marry them? I’m just tired of folks acting like we’re the only ethnic group with issues. We have major ones, but no one looks at the bigger picture when coming to a conclusion. I’m tired of the slavery issue being brought up, but if you are gonna draw conclusions you have to look at the history. It’s just the intelligent thing to do. You wouldn’t draw a quick conclusion about what’s been happening between Israel and Palestine without looking at the history. I’m not comparing the two, I’m just saying know the whole story. I am so rambling!

  4. Izzy 24 November 2009 at 10:39 am Permalink

    One more thing,
    I read Push many years ago for a Creative Writing class and was very put off by the content. It was not MY reality, but it was somebody’s and that story does deserve to be told. I DO NOT plan to see the movie because I was so disturbed by the book, but I am glad that it has sparked discussion. I think we need more black stories–even the ones that make you cringe. There are so many ways to be human, so many ways to be black. I want to see those stories. And I want people to see that they are just stories depicting a different type of human experience, not the illustration of the lives of ALL black people you meet.

  5. Jade 24 November 2009 at 10:50 am Permalink

    Of course I think there is an obsession. The fact is that all problems exists across ethnic lines. Yet, it always seems like these problems are “put on display” or “amplified” when it comes to black women. Why is it that if a black woman gets plastic surgery/changes herself, she must be suffering from self-hate, but any other woman (especially white) who gets plastic surgery/changes herself just wants to embellish the beauty that she (supposedly) already has?

    I think people LIKE seeing others suffering. They like knowing that although they have problems in their own lives AT LEAST IT’S NOT THAT BAD.

  6. Elysian 24 November 2009 at 11:08 am Permalink

    The media can’t win for losing when it comes to issues affecting Black people. I think that educated Black women are ashamed of women like Precious. So, yes. Let’s not make anymore movies like Precious that while it may be stereo typical does shed light on abuse that is prevalent in the very Poor Black community. After all, all the Black children in foster care aren’t there because their families are extremely dysfunctional and abusive are they.

    Perhaps, it would have been more comfortable for some if Precious were fair with long straight hair so that we could remove ourselves from it a little bit. We could then tell ourselves “that’s all the white blood in that family”.

    Let us not forget all the misogynistic practices that are inflicted upon African women by other African’s who were not the victims of Slavery.

    I just read my comment to a friend. She mentioned that all the people in the movie who try to help Precious are fair, or white. Now that is something I have a problem with. It’s a topic that makes me extremely angry. Because I do not see a solution. Except to keep reading, watching, and discussing.

  7. Nicole 24 November 2009 at 11:54 am Permalink

    I swear this blog reads minds. I’ve seriously thinking about this on a personal level for the past week. I was thinking about all the movies out there and that I can never really identify with characters in “black movies” and/or “movies about black people.” We’re either sexing it up in the ghetto or in a deluxe apartment in the sky. Now I’m not saying that there aren’t people out there that have those experiences or that their stories don’t deserve to be told. However, it’s frustrating to not see a black woman on the silver screen who has “unconventional” interests, has different types of friends, has her shit together and deals with the same stuff that EVERYONE ELSE DOES on a regular basis. What I’m trying to get at (I’m kind of rambling so I hope I get my point across properly) is that I don’t want to be a “subset” of media or entertainment because I’m black. Being black is only one part of me that has had a hand in shaping my ever-changing perspective on life, just like being half Korean or being Jewish allows my best friends to bring another point of view to the table of life; and their points of view enrich mine and vice versa. I’m also a West Indian, I’m a woman, I love rock music, among other things. I don’t know, I look at the world around me and it feels like someone is attempting to flatten me into one dimension.

  8. AdriB 24 November 2009 at 12:11 pm Permalink

    It seems that in the criticism of “Precious” people are forgetting about the Sanaa Lathan/Omar Epps/Gabrielle Union/Morris Chestnut/Taye Diggs era of black film. During that time, all the black films featured successful happy black men and women in mostly-comedic and somewhat dramatic situations. After a while, it seems like they were putting out the same movie over and over again and it was made even more painfully obvious given the fact that they kept hiring the same cast. So, we’ve moved on to something new.

    Tyler Perry and other black church-sponsored films and television always tend toward being extremely dramatic b/c they want to use that heart tug to plug their religious agenda. They show characters who reach rock bottom and God pulls them out. I’m glad that Precious did not lean that way, but in general it is used as an emotional manipulation tactic. They want the unsaved to tear down their walls to the church and if they can make you cry over the raped girl, they’re halfway in.

    This whole backlash to “Good Hair” and “Precious” is quite annoying to me because around 2000, black people were complaining that they were only able to push Sambo-esque comedies. The most popular call out was Spike Lee’s “Bamboozled.” Now, instead of hiding behind dumb jokes and slap-stick, black directors are getting funding to present what’s “real” (which differs from person to person) and now everybody’s trippin about how white people are enjoying watching the pathologies of black women.

    Give. Me. A. Break.

    I think the question should be “Instead of being optimistic and seeing the silver lining of things, are black women too bitter to enjoy the bright side of life and, instead, just complain and sometimes even create a dark side? Why won’t they stop being like so?”

    You guys! Black dramas are making national headlines!
    And many black and non-black people are spending money to see them!
    In case you missed it in all of your whining and complaining:

    THAT IS HUUUUUUUUUGE!!!!

  9. Nicole 24 November 2009 at 12:30 pm Permalink

    @AdriB, I definitely see your point. I am glad the movies starring black people are making national headlines. I’m glad that it opens things up for discussion. I think the “Sanaa Lathan/Omar Epps/Gabrielle Union/Morris Chestnut/Taye Diggs era of black film” eventually became boring because it was the same storyline and same people over and over. I’m not going to criticize the movie itself, because I haven’t seen it yet, but I think there’s a cinematic experience in between “Precious” and the Sanaa Lathan/Omar Epps/Gabrielle Union/Morris Chestnut/Taye Diggs era of film that hasn’t been tapped. I think there are experiences that get lost in between the ends of the spectrum, in which lies the realities of a lot of people that would like to be represented in cinema, due to the simple fact that they’re part of this world.

  10. Mikimu 24 November 2009 at 12:43 pm Permalink

    AdriB….I couldn’t have said it better myself!!!!!! I agree with the points you made. Really, I don’t understand why this big deal is being made because of what may or may not be the perception of whites (or others) about certain black movies. When I sit down to watch a film, whether it features white/black/asian/latino/indian actors, my mind doesn’t immediately jump to stereotypical ideas about that particular race or what may or may not be the underlying agendas of the writer/director. I look for the entertainment value of the movie…period.

    I don’t plan on seeing the movie “Precious” simply because I am not interested in the subject matter this movie deals with. True, this is a reality for some people, however, it would just be ridiculous for a logical, thinking person to assume that this is the situation all black people find themselves in.

    So, to answer the question, I don’t think the media is obsessed with how ‘messed up’ black women are. The media in general is interested in how ‘messed up’ everyone is…and they spend a great deal of time and effort to make sure that people’s misery is front page news. To me, it’s not a black thing, until black people make it a thing.

  11. MsOverproof 24 November 2009 at 12:45 pm Permalink

    I agree whole heartedly with AdriB. I was a bit perturbed to see another complainy whiney article regarding the ‘negativity’ of Precious and how it has set us back 2 decades. Nonsense, it is bringing light to a serious issue and raising awareness that the is an invisible class people out there suffering. The characters in that movie could have easily been replaced by any race of people. I read the novel PUSH years ago and wanted so badly to erase the images from my mind that I literally threw the book in the garbage. I went to see it again with my girlfriend in a theatr filled with black, white, latino and asian women and everybody was boo whooing because they connected and the conversations after were not because Precious was black. Black folks need to just cut it out, it makes us look whiney.

  12. Yoshi3329 24 November 2009 at 12:48 pm Permalink

    Nicole :”I don’t know, I look at the world around me and it feels like someone is attempting to flatten me into one dimension.”

    Story of my life! I’m half Jamaican and my mother from Mississippi. I grew up in a mostly white neighborhood, on of my neighbors where Indian and my other neighbors were Cuban. I then moved to a neighborhood were EVERYONE was black and was constantly made fun of because I “talk like a white girl.” I didn’t even know that proper English was for whites but not blacks. I was the smartest girl in the class in my white school. But to everyone in the black neighbor hood I was trying to be “White” or they thought that I was above them. They would often mistake me for being bi-racial b/c I spoke clearly, was (and still am) incredibly smart, like rock, playing the violin and not liking Hip hop. I tried liking hip hop, I just can’t not really.

    I want to be a children’s book writer/illustrator and graphic artist and artist. I have a very different styles, One day I’ll draw anime style, the next vintage collage, and the next day like a Victorian painting with some African-like flare. If that makes any sense. LOL!

    When telling people the ideas I have for my future books people tell me that the stories I want to write are strange b/c I’m black and that I should write more urban. Funny thing is, I pretty much hate everything urban! LOL!

    I can’t do this b/c I’m black and I can’t do that black I’m black, or at least shouldn’t. STOP IT ALREADY!

    Well enough of me rambling!

  13. BelleMuse 24 November 2009 at 1:14 pm Permalink

    I think the media is totally obsessed with these horrible images of us. That is exactly why I no longer go see Tyler Perry movies, Bishop T.D. Jake movies, and any movie that portays us in the stereotypical ” bitter black woman” role. Not to mention the films I listed usually have the same story line as if their “target” audience does not deserve a complex storyline or creative effort. <— Just my opinion.

  14. ayanna 24 November 2009 at 2:24 pm Permalink

    hmmmm…interesting question. i think the answer kind of floats between a myriad of places. yes ‘precious’ presents a visceral, gut-wrenching image of a kind of black experience—yes, certain sectors of people take comfort in these images because it makes them feel better about their own lives/reinforces awful stereotypes for them etc. plus we can’t forget ‘white guilt’ or the notion of it and what role that might have to play for folks who subscribe to those feelings subconsciously or what-have-you. i even tried to think about on par representations with white protagonists and couldn’t come up with too many but i suppose stories/images like “bastard out of carolina,” “white oleander” and the mother in “what’s eating gilbert grape” kind of represent another range of images but such images never become pathologized images of ‘whiteness’ per se. i’m not sure why….the times author is probably right on SOME level. it’s really uncomfortable to think about and i am not sure it can be answered easily for me inside my mind. also, some black people get tired of these kinds of ruminations and observations [understandably so] because it IS tiring and it is emotionally exhausting but it doesn’t mean it isn’t relevant. or accurate. *sigh* such is the life of a self-reflective, critical thinking black woman in this world.

  15. Jc 24 November 2009 at 2:25 pm Permalink

    I don’t think I agree (an ambiguous opinion). Like AdriB, in my opinion, American people are addicted to sad stories with a happy ending.

    I also agree with AdriB that movies from what would be considered a black genre do have to move on! I know I’m going to offend a whole lot of people here but let us also talk about the White men can’t jump, boyz in the hood and boomerang genre – These are also stereotypical characters and yet how many facebook pages have you seen with best movie – boyz in the hood?!

    Why is Madea offensive but Kings of Comedy is not? Do they not both create black caricatures? Yes they are caricatures, but the reason they are so funny is that most of us do have that drunk uncle or that odd cousin. Certainly not the same person, but the joke reminds you of them.

    People like Gabourey Sidibe need movies like Precious so that directors can see Oscar worthy potential in non-typical actresses. The acting industry is a hard place to be in because most time they are out of work, so believe me actors will act for a pay check.

    All that said, I also agree with Leila too (slap on the wrist for blaming Tyra on your friend’s ignorance – Tyra’s show is there for entertainment not really supposed to be a source of profound knowledge imo, plus I love Tyra!). Anyway, geting back on track, yep I agree with you that different types of movies should be made, preferrably without Will Smith. I have watched and will continue to watch every single movie Will Smith has made, love him too we know he is box office already, I want to see more non-white people become box office.

  16. AdriB 24 November 2009 at 5:51 pm Permalink

    @Elysian: I KNOW! I was definitely put off by the change in the teacher. In the book she’s dark-skinned with dreds; in the movie she’s light-skinned with straight hair. Initially, I was hesitant to judge, but I saw a comment on a blog that made a really good point: the teacher being dark-skinned with dreds was important in the book because it forced Precious to change her own opinions on dark-sknned and dreded people (as well as homosexuals).

    It’ll be a while, but hopefully in time we will see movies like this are a depiction of poverty not black America. I haven’t seen the Oprah and Tyler Perry interviews, but in the press I didn’t get an overtone of “this is black America” but more “this is poverty and, yes, the character is black.” I believe that this fact is what actually got people from different background out to see the movie. Those Morris Chestnut/Gabrielle Union films seem to only be marketed to blacks. Even the previous Tyler Perry movies never left the black community.

    We’re making advances. Slowly, but surely.

  17. AdriB 24 November 2009 at 6:03 pm Permalink

    P.S. For any of you interested in education, a friend sent me this really interesting article from Newsweek where the writer presents the idea of emphasizing math in alternative educational programs. [Link: http://www.newsweek.com/id/221389 Having worked at a GED program, I did notice a greater competence and faster advancement in mathematics with the students. And there are many fields students could succeed in with proper math skills- even with a 5th grade reading level.

    Yes, reading is definitely still necessary, however it’s a very interesting thought. With math skills, what starts out as data entry can become CPA with dedication and hard work over time. And you can start out sooner than if you were waiting to perfect your reading and writing skills.

  18. OneBrownSnowPea 24 November 2009 at 6:15 pm Permalink

    I don’t have a problem with the movie being made. I think all the various stories of black people should be told through film. I did have a problem with the fact that people think Gabourey Sidibe’s REAL life is like what is portrayed in the film just because she is plus size and dark-skinned. So they assume she must be miserable as a result of that. I feel like black movies tend to be a bit more raw than mainstream films; which can be a good thing, albeit a bit more painful to watch.

  19. NappySexyFly 24 November 2009 at 9:54 pm Permalink

    I’ll read The Bluest Eye again when I want to wade into the waters of abuse and the roots of self-loathing in the black community. Pecola Breedlove has never left my soul since the 6th grade and I am nearly 40 now. To deal with such devastating subject matter takes surgical precision and Tony Morrison has that. Sapphire does not. She is hamfisted at best in her attempts. “Precious”, “Push” is melodramatic mediocrity simmering in a cesspool of stereotypes.

    What a movie like “Precious” WILL do is allow folks who think they are so liberal to feel like they have done something to make the world a better place for the down-trodden simply by enduring a viewing of Precious and shedding crocodile tears for it’s main character thus proving to themselves that they are compassionate and caring human beings. When they wipe their eyes and leave the theater they will tell their like-minded friends in hushed tones at some irrelevant ass cocktail party “I saw precious, it was devastating.” Their friends will tilt their heads to one side and shake their heads sadly. “Wasn’t it just awful.” Not one law will change. Nothing will change. Just a little guilt will be relieved. A few people will get to mentally trick themselves into feeling as though they held some untouchable girls hand through hell and on the road to redemption. Meanwhile add one more horrendous, lazy, child-eating black mother to the black female stereotypes canon shown to the world because we need to revisit this theme because it has helped us so f*cking much…and on and on…

    And yes the media thrives on and feeds on black dysfunction how would anyone else know they are human.

  20. MSJAIM 25 November 2009 at 3:23 am Permalink

    I say give me a damn break as well…some folks dig too deep on the wrong ish & etch out shallow pools for other issues. since folks r so focused on perceived stereotypes, whether ppl like to admit it or not there are always some morsels of truth to some of them. Ive read some of the different blogger’s comments on the film & its ridiculous. These so called blk intellects need to realize that there are ppl like precious out there who have lived that life & have experienced those hard ships. To say one cant relate is understandable , but to negate that life experience or possibility of that life experience & basically be embarrassed because it may make us look bad in front of “others” is counter productive to what most “black intellects” portray they try to advocate. many of those stereotypes ppl are so ashamed of are many ppls realities & issues that r systematically ignored W/ blk families…

  21. Cassie 25 November 2009 at 7:51 pm Permalink

    I wonder which Black movies, those of you criticizing Push, would find non-stereotypical. AdriB is correct that no matter which movies is put forth, there will always be critics.

    I was surprised when some Black reviewers even criticized “The Great Debaters”, which I thought was a great movie. Black movies can’t win for losing!

  22. Cassie 25 November 2009 at 7:53 pm Permalink

    I wonder which Black movies, those of you criticizing Push, would find non-stereotypical. AdriB is correct that no matter which movies are put forth, there will always be critics.

    I was surprised when some Black reviewers even criticized “The Great Debaters”, which I thought was a great movie. Black movies can’t win for losing!

    Moderator, please post the second post (I MADE A MISTAKE IN THE FIRST ONE). Thanks.

  23. RoseRed 26 November 2009 at 1:23 am Permalink

    Sorry for the long post!

    I don’t really agree with some of the comments. Sure, movies like precious showcase an aspect of society. But it isn’t the only aspect. I should just be happy the movie is a “black” movie and move on? I should just look at “Good Hair” and say “Wow, black people are in it–wait I’m black! I should see this movie and be happy about it, It doesn’t matter if I like it or not–Black people are in it!”

    Although it’s good to see black people on the screen, why do we see them mainly in “black movies”? Why is a movie rarely an action/romance/comedy/drama/whatever that just happens to have some black people in lead/pivotal roles? And if they are involved, how many don’t call attention to it? Not enough. Why are they in black curches, black neighborhoods, black babershops etc.? Yes, stories like that need to be told, but where’s my story? It seem like it’s either a “look at them silly negroes” movie or a “feel bad for them poor negroes” movie.

    I think we can recognize the validity of some movies like “Precious”, while still calling for truly inclusive films. A black entry level business person should still look to climb the ladder, she/he shouldn’t just be grateful to be in the building and leave it at that. That’s what I got from some of the comments.

    We have to admit, some of these films don’t paint us in the best light. I can’t tell you how many non-blacks have assumed my hair is fake since “Good Hair” came out. Why is it when my cousin (By marriage. She’s Costa Rican, but looks caucasian) goes out with her sister, she gets “sister” comments. But when I go out with my little brother, some people assume he’s my son! Me and my cousin are the same age! I would have had to be pregnant at 11! Hmmm, what could be the difference?

    We have to look at how we are portrayed in the media. If for every “Poor Negro/silly Negro” movie out there was one about–say, a guy who happens to be black but it’s not the focus of the movie, i.e. no ebonics or Martin Lawrence showing up in a fat suit and the guy has to diffuse a bomb on a school bus packed with kids or something, I wouldn’t have a problem! ^___^

    And of course happy black movies tell the same stories over and over again! So do practically every other happy movie! How many “underdog team has an unorthodox coach pull it together” movie have we all seen? How many “cheerleaders need teamwork” movies have we sat through? Hollywood just isn’t as creative as it was.

    Yoshi3329, it’s like we were separated at birth!

    I don’t like people assuming this and that about me because they saw some “black” movies, pat themselves on the back, and then assume they’re helping the poor black girl when they tell me I don’t need this wig and should be proud of my real hair. I’m tired of saying things like:

    “I don’t wear a wig, this is my natural hair, sorry if deviates from what you saw in ‘Hair Show’”.

    “No, I’m not going to the Jay z concert, I don’t like rap. I notice you didn’t ask my blonde associate, but she’s going, talk to her.”

    “I don’t eat ‘chitlins’”

    It’s not even ignorance, people are thinking this is every black person’s reality!

    (Oh, and I’ve been accused {by people who don’t know me} of “trying to be white” or “throwing black culture away” because of things like me preferring Rammstein over Ray Jay. I want to make it clear that I am not. I chopped off all of my relaxed hair and was expecting the kinkiest fro imaginable and got silky spirals. Black people, with relaxers mind you, ask me where I bought it and I tell them it’s natural and they walk off muttering about how I’m lying and I must not want to be black. When in high school I would detest black history month. Not because I didn’t think we needed a month, but because I thought it was so depressing. We are always reminded of the worst time in our history, which isn’t unnecessary, but why were we never reminded of our golden times? Why didn’t I learn about the histoy of the many African nations? Why didn’t I learn that Rome had a few black emperors? I wanted to learn about ALL of our history, not just relive slavery so my white teacher could pat herself on the back.) phew! ? ^_____^ ?

  24. OneBrownSnowPea 26 November 2009 at 11:35 am Permalink

    “We are always reminded of the worst time in our history, which isn’t unnecessary, but why were we never reminded of our golden times? Why didn’t I learn about the history of the many African nations? Why didn’t I learn that Rome had a few black emperors? I wanted to learn about ALL of our history, not just relive slavery so my white teacher could pat herself on the back.) phew! ? ^_____^ ?”

    @Rose Red…this is very true. Slavery and Jim crow is not the only history we as black people have. Honestly, I think it is from lack of information about African Civilizations. It is there if you search for it, but it is never taught in schools until you get to the college level and then you have to purposefully seek out the classes needed to get the knowledge. Alot has been left out of history books on purpose. Some people do believe the black ACTORS they see on prime time is how REAL black people live.

  25. AdriB 26 November 2009 at 2:02 pm Permalink

    I think that many of those pushing the “I’m tired of black women being shown in a negative light” argument in their reaction to these movies (some of which who haven’t even seen the movies) are just being oversensitive. Have you seen “Trainspotters,” “Raquiem for a Dream,” “Memento,” “Magnolia,” “Jay and Silent Bob,” or any non-black movies EVER? White characters aren’t always Gods and have their share of neuroses. “American Beauty” which explored the stereotype of the ugliness lurking underneath pretty suburban white America receieved RAVE reviews!! And white girls with long hair didn’t throw a big fit about it. Actually, it won Oscars.

    The press has focused on Precious’s socio-economic status, poor education, and neglectful home life more than they’ve been pushing the fact that she is black, so whenever I read comments forcing that link, I wonder if perhaps the commenter should take a minute to reflect on the conclusions and associations that they are putting together by themselves.

    I was reading the NYTimes today and a commenter posted that there hasn’t been a widely acclaimed movie like “Precious” since “The Color Purple” which was released in 1985!!! It’s 24 years later and that’s too much in almost a quarter of a century so now the media is obsessed with portraying black America like so?

    ?

    Also, one shouldn’t be so quick to take offense to people assuming you’re a certain way because their exposure to black culture has been the television. It’s not their fault and plus we alllllll do it! How do you get dead set on visiting a country you’ve never been to? Television, magazines, friends, etc. How do you mistakenly ask for General Tzo’s chicken in China? Because just about every Chinese restaurant in the States serves that dish! Instead of letting your personal issues get the best of you, you should just take that time to share your experience and views. I grew up in the South suburbs of Chicago, but just about every poor black person I meet outside of Chicago assumes I’m from “THE SOUTH SIIIIIDE!” and throw up GD gang signs. Even from reading this blog, I see that a lot of BGLH readers do the same when making sweeping statements about what white people are and are not thinking. Like they really know.

    People categorize to help them understand the world better. There’s nothing wrong with that in itself. It becomes a problem when people start using these separations to create a hierarchy rather than a heterogeneous…I dunno, mass of things. Or when they deny outliers.

    I say next time someone stereotypes you negatively, let the first step be not being the black woman with the big attitude for no reason. Then let the second step be showing them a different perspective. Then continue into the conversation on a positive note.

  26. Grace 26 November 2009 at 6:39 pm Permalink

    @ AdriB i totally agree with what you are saying. It is quite interesting that some people are getting their panties in a knot over a movie that has brought awareness about a young girls adversity in life…and her being black is just part of the movie and not the message of the movie. For example i am Nigerian, i was born in a upper middle class family, i was given love and attention by my parents, i have never witnessed war or seen any starving children in my 23 years of life, however when ever i come to the U.S, i get whites, African Americans and other ethnicities asking me questions about starving children, if i lived on a tree or have to hunt animals to feed, how many miles i walked to get water to drink?…lol..honestly some of the questions are really pitiful however i do not bawl but try to explain that, that isn’t the majority of the stories of people from Africa…However that has even created awareness in my heart for other black peoples plight around the world and i joined a missionary service to help other Africans even if it this isn’t my story…i don’t need to relate with a character to gain a sense of who i am…I believe the complaint stems out of shame than anything else…..don’t be so absorbed in your own experience that you neglect the suffering or stories of others..

  27. RoseRed 27 November 2009 at 2:10 am Permalink

    I don’t recall saying I act like an angry black woman when someone assumes something about me. I calmly tell them my reality. Of course movies with white casts don’t always show the best about the “White World”. But you have helped me proved my point, AdriB. No one sees Jay and Silent Bob and says “Oh my, well that movie doesn’t show white men in the best light. Is this really the press white men need? It makes us look so bad.” Movies are movies until they have a black cast. Then they are “black movies”.

    When a white person plays a part; let’s use a housewife as an example. A broad spectrum of society feels it’s okay to relate to them. When the actress is black, more often than not, the advertising of the movie is towards “urban” families. The way these parts are usually written and played doesn’t speak to as broad a spectrum as a similar part played by a white actress. These movies are usually injected with jokes geared toward blacks. How many whites are going to get an activator joke?

    Because “black” movies are almost always geared toward black audiences exclusively, and other movies are geared toward everyone, a lot of people can “get” a white main character, but the black one remains foreign. I want audiences to be able understand a black character. But the majority look at a movie like Precious, and instead of saying, “This is terrible, how could this happen to a young girl today?” they go “Awww, poor black girl”.

    The fact remains: A movie showing a drunk stupid white guy, doesn’t make people think all white guys are drunk and stupid. Does this rule apply to minorities? We all know the answer. Quite a few people base their realities through what they see in the media. By the way, the news STILL reports crimes commited by minorites in substantially higher amounts than those commited by whites, painting a false picture of the world around us. I think this is one of the reasons blacks are more likely to be fired upon by white cops AND black cops alike. Did anyone hear that? WE are affected as well. I guess I should just be happy we are on T.V. in the first place.

    Oh yeah, and I actually am the kind of person who wouldn’t be so stupid as to order an American dish in China. I would actually learn about the place that I’m visiting, a few of their customs and if they speak a different language, I’d learn as many conversational phrases as possible. Things like that aren’t hard. I actually enjoy them. I try to learn about the world around me. I enjoy languages, presently I’m learning German. I love the art from different cultures, right now I can’t get enough of Japanese flower arranging. I’m surprised most people don’t do things like this. Well, actually they do, it’s the average American that doesn’t, and I don’t want to be anything like the average American. I remember the ignorant crap said to me and wouldn’t want to make anyone else feel like that. Which is why I wouldn’t ask a Thai person where do they keep the fortune cookies and can they teach me karate. I strive to be a citizen of the world. I’m pensive. I won’t apologize for being artful or an intellectual.

    I guess the average person doesn’t see the bad parts about these movies. To them, they’re just movies or it’s not that big of a deal or I’m reading too much into it. To me they’re art. Art is very powerful and can change how you view the world. These films shape our society and how our neighbors see us. Not caring what others think is great for many situations but we have to also be realistic at times. We have to live in this world together, and the fewer misconceptions, the better. I live my life freely, and do as I please but when I’m in public I make sure to conduct myself in a becoming manner. Not only to show what a great family I come from but also what a great and vibrant culture I belong to. That’s me, it’s who I am. You’ll never see me yelling at a cashier, littering, cursing (out loud ^___^), spitting, wearing a showercap in public, picking my nose, falling down drunk, etc. (Please no one yell at me, I’m not saying these are all negative “black” acts, they’re just unladylike, and that is not how I am or how want to be perceived. We all are usually on our best behavior in public, I mean, how many of you fart in the check out line!). What people see is their reality. I reiterate, I’m not putting on a show, this is how I was raised.

    By the way, I want to see Precious, it looks like a good and thoughtful movie. I also said stories like that needed to be told. My point was, it’s not the only one.

  28. AdriB 27 November 2009 at 9:32 am Permalink

    @RoseRed: I just saw the same comment I sited earlier in another news article: a movie like “Precious” hasn’t earned critical acclaim since “The Color Purple.” (I cite b/c I’m not a big movie buff.) Which was released in 1985. So…of course it’s not the only story being put out, or else there would not have been any movies with a black cast since then. And there has.

    I think that’s the difference between the critics and the “just chill out” group. We saw “The Best Man” and “Brown Sugga” and “Barbershop” and “Crash,” so there’s not this (mis)conception that black Americans are only seen negatively in Hollywood. The opposite camp having their view is fine, but when you order General Tzo’s chicken in China, someone’s probably gonna tell you the truth.

    In your “learning about the world around you” you’re either missing or making my point. You can learn all the language you want, but once you touch ground and run into local dialects, it’s a different story. Spanish in Madrid is different from Spanish in Malaga. And that’s TOOOOTALLY different from Spanish in Argentina. As is Jordan Arabic and Egyptian Arabic. And deep-South Mississippi and northern state Maine English. There are also a lot of cultural undertones that are missing in books and blogs, so you can’t truly KNOW a place or custom without interacting directly with it (and sometimes it takes even more than that!). So that’s why whoever might thing you’re going to the Jay-Z concert. And it’s nothing to take personally. I’m sure if/once they get to know you better, they won’t make the same mistake. (i.e. They’ll learn your personal “dialect.”) A lot of non-black people enjoy many aspects of black culture (especially in the arts) but have limited direct interaction with black people for a number of reasons, so they don’t quite “get it” everytime. And that’s okay.

    I think the backlash to these movies brings to light one of the necessary next steps in the evolution of the “black” identity/impression. We already went through the movies with positive black characters. The Obamas, a black family, live in the White House. There has been a dramatic increase in the number of blacks in higher ed. There’s been growth and development of the black middle class. Black culture and diversity is accepted among youth. etc. etc. etc. …but “Precious” is treated as the primary example of the black identity? and because that ONE movie was made (2, if you are anti-”Good Hair”), the media is obsessed with negative images of black America?

    That’s why you’re still expected to go to the Jay-Z concert! B/c the many Darius Ruckers (Hootie & the BF) that are out there get ignored! Figuratively speaking.

    Society as a whole is taking their cues from us. If we ignore all the good and focus on the bad, so will they. Which is why I say, “chill on the defense.”

  29. AdriB 27 November 2009 at 9:43 am Permalink

    We don’t want to become the nagging wife to the husband. He cooks, he cleans, he rubs our feet, then one day her forgets to take out the trash and it’s “You’re so laaaaazy!!!!”

  30. RoseRed 27 November 2009 at 7:31 pm Permalink

    “Critical acclaim”. I thought we were talking about extremely popular movies. I have seen quite a few good movies with mainly black casts, but nothing that the greater population is intimately familiar with.

    What I’m saying is, it doesn’t matter how many nice movies about blacks are out there. If no one is seeing them or remembering them what’s the point? People are drawn to drama and heartache in movies. They also like stupid comedies. No one wants to see a movie about a happy family with no problems. (Black or white) When a movie shows whites in a negative light it’s just a movie. When it’s blacks, it’s not quite the same because we are minorites. That’s why on the news they say “It’s a black youth, older Hispanic man etc.” The news rarely says “Be on the look out for a white guy”.

    Reviews of movies say “It’s a heartwarming film about a black family’s stuggles”, they don’t say “It’s a heartwarming film about a white family’s struggle.”

    When a movie has a large black cast, it turns from a movie into a “black” movie. When the most popular of these movies are stereotypical or somehow, at times negative, thats how we are perceived. That’s how a lot of people base their opinions. It’s a lazy way, but it happens. It’s the negative that burns itself into our minds. Positive stereotypes are rarely perpetrated. No one ever asked me “I bet you’re all getting together for a big family dinner this holiday season, I saw it in a movie.” That’s why a lot of people base their views about middle easterners from the news and terrorist movies instead of a sugar filled image like Aladdin. (Which of course has it’s own stereotypes). ^___^

    I also recall saying that I would familiarize myself with wherever I was visiting. If I was going to a northern province of China, I would learn about it in depth. I’m not the kind of person who travels to a foreign country just to get a watered down version of the culture. That’s what Epcot’s for. Why would I learn European Spanish and visit Mexico? The conjugations would be off.

    When someone assumes something about me that I have a problem with, I tell them the truth. I don’t go off into a tyrade about how they’re racist and ignorant etc. We as humans are more likely to focus on the negative. It’s just human nature. No one remembers all the times a white person has been polite to you, but everyone remembers when they tell you a racist joke and expected you to laugh because he “Heard it from a black guy”. And of course if one black person thought it was funny, I should too. *sarcasm* But a lot of us do try to rise against it. We take a hurtful comment as an opportunity to teach.

    I agree with you that it’s a mistake to complain endlessly that “Racism is still here, Obama don’t mean nothing.” But we can’t fool ourselves into thinking everything is perfect. Our last president was basically a laughingstock.(the most polite word I can think of ^___^)Obama had to be perfect to even have a shot. And STILL an e-mail was intercepted that showed what the white house would be like with Obama. It had a watermelon patch. That hurts my feeling, I can’t pretend it doesn’t. I’m not going to go and cry, but I’m going to get revenge. And the best revenge is a great and happy life. To prove them wrong. ^__^

    You have a good point about not focusing on the negative, but you can’t fix a problem you’re ignoring. If your T.V. is on fire, it won’t really help to start talking about what a good DVD player you have. Put out the fire WHILE talking about your great DVD player. I think we can do both. ^__^ “Blacks are better off than they’ve ever been in this country, yet we still have a ways to go”. “Precious looks like a great movie, and I can’t wait to see it, but I also can’t wait for them to come out with a thriller with a strong black lead”. This is what I mean. ?

  31. RoseRed 27 November 2009 at 7:48 pm Permalink

    Hmm, if a question mark shows up at the end of my last post, I didn’t mean it, it was supposed to be a heart, but I guess not all sites recognize that command. :/ sorry.

    Oh, and another point I want to make. If I laughed at an insensitive joke or ignored a hurtful comment, that person might think it’s okay to continue. This has happened to me before with a classmate. His argument was “You didn’t say anything about it before, you should have told me, I’m sorry.” I don’t think we should attack the person, but I do think we should explain as best we can.

    Sometimes a person will say something about minorities and then look over at me for approval, because if I don’t mind, all minorities will think it’s okay *sarcasm*. My go to reply is usually “I’m going to ignore that.” It’s quick, calm and lets them know that it’s not okay without attacking them or belittling/shaming them unduly. ^____^

  32. AnonyMiss 29 November 2009 at 12:40 pm Permalink

    I do think it’s important that the rest of America understand “our struggle” but at the same time I’m sick of hearing about how much our lives suck….lol. I mean yea I do struggle and part of my struggle is due to my sex/gender combination but I’m still alive and very comfortable in my own skin. I would never wish to be anything other than a black woman and that’s real. Despite everything I LOVE being a black woman. I don’t think there’s anything better. =) Maybe because that’s what I’ve been my whole life. This is who I am and I don’t see anything wrong with it. People are always trying to make it seem like we hate ourselves and that’s really just not true. I’m sure there are some BW who hate who they are but I think the majority of us are happy with who we are and just wish others would accept us the way we are.

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