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27 August 2010 ~ 72 Comments

Revisiting “bad” products

Yesterday style icon Shondi mentioned that she uses UltraSheen grease in her hair, with great success. This brave admission generated some really interesting discussion about whether products containing petroleum and mineral oil (which are generally considered bad for the hair due to their clogging/drying effect) can actually be part of a successful natural hair regimen.

Commenter Andrea T said;

“Why is everyone surprised that some people have nice hair from using old school products?… My mom used ultra sheen on us and I used it for years and years and had good results (hair was long and thick and like she said, flattened/straightened out nicely after a couple of days post wash and application).


I get that nowadays there is a big emphasis on natural oils, and they can be nice, but it’s not like no one had long and healthy hair using the old stuff. Everyone is different…so why is everyone so surprised? I wish that all of these blogs would stop acting like no black women had long healthy hair until people had the internet and layered 20 products on it. I’m kind of amazed at all of the talk about such complicated regimens, but am glad that some of the women featured here have pretty healthy hair and don’t spend all day applying products to it.


The only thing I like about the “new age” natural products is that the scent is lighter and in the summer, they are less greasy. But I’d use TCB or Ultra Sheen in a hot NY minute in the winter time.


Can I please ask, what exactly is your response to people who had healthy hair growing up, didn’t have trouble retaining length, and did it with nothing but a boar bristle brush, a goody plastic comb, and some Ultra Sheen?”

Commenter v.c. said;

“I’m all for the natural-oils and natural hair products, don’t get me wrong, but I’m getting tired of people acting like your hair is going to fall out if you use products that have things like petroleum, mineral oil, etc. in the product, as if its the shocker of the century that people can have healthy hair and maintain it from basically the “bad” products.


I think everyone focuses so much on being against the “old fashioned” products that they forget that everyone is different, not all of us can financially afford to spent $15-$20 per bottle of a fancy organic shampoo or conditioner, and let’s face it, for some people, the “no-no products” works perfectly fine for their hair. It’s all about preference. We need to stop encompassing everyone into the all-natural bubble and realize that at the end of the day, we, and our hair, are individuals, and what may work for you will not work for others, and that’s OKAY.

In my own experience petroleum laced products weigh down the hair in a way that water-based products (like many popular leave-ins) cannot. And sometimes I do want that weight, particularly if I’m styling. While I wouldn’t use hair grease as a leave-in I understand how it is useful in providing temporary hold and shine.

Do you use products with petroleum and mineral oil? In what capacity? Do they work for you?

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72 Responses to “Revisiting “bad” products”

  1. Andrea T 29 August 2010 at 11:38 am Permalink

    I’m the other person who was quoted on this blog, and while I don’t mind, I see that most people are missing the point and context of the original comment, even though it is stated in the first line of this post. Sondi/Shondi (it says one thing on her highlight and another in this article), mentioned having always been natural and having always used basic, old school hair products. And her hair was lovely and seemed to grow quite well.
    Many commenters in that thread expressed surprised that she’d had so much hair (had recently cut off 10 inches) using products that many of them clearly believed to inhibit hair growth. And I replied that not EVERYONE had had bad hair experiences as a child using “bad” products, and not everyone had no hair before the internet came along.
    I feel as though everyone keeps pointing out to us a point that we both made in our quoted comments. Everyone’s hair is different, and a lot of things work differently for other people.
    I’ve seen people on this website clearly state that mineral oil breaks off your hair, and that it won’t let your hair grow. Many, many times. So I just expressed that much like Sondi, when I was her age, I’d never had a relaxer, had only used Ultra Sheen, and had really nice hair that grew just fine(and I’ll say that for me, that seems to be true no matter what I use).
    And I can see that for people who had perms put on their hair when they were 9 or 10 years old, they are suddenly trying to figure out how to maintain their natural hair, and they look to other people for answers. So it’s good that they remember that no one else can realy tell you what is going to give you what you want. Maybe the answer is a $50 jar of curling custard, and maybe it’s a $3 jar of Ultra Sheen. But no one should be surprised that one things works well for one but not another, or that some people can use anything to great results. There are a myriad of reasons why that is true and there is no point in rehashing them, just as there could be a myriad of reasons why you don’t use mineral oil based products (allergies, it disagrees with your hair, concern for the environment, etc.). Some essential oils are toxic to you as well, and cannot EVER be applied to your skin. The FDA is probably your best resource for this information, or perhaps your doctor still remembers it from biochemistry class.
    This is kind of a secondary issue, but I feel that people are also trading in the obsession with how long is your hair to how big/curly is your afro and how long did it take for you to get there. That has been a blog topic as well. And again, when you have no information, and haven’t seen your hair in a while, it’s understandable that you want some kind of benchmark, but my concern is that people will wonder why they don’t have waist length hair after a year or two and conclude incorrectly that they should be using one thing and not another (which may be true for them, but also may not be). Everyone’s hair is growing, but we all have different kinds of hair, different amounts of hair, and ultimately hair that grows at different rates or some people may just have hair that is more resilient and easier to retain as it grows out.
    Black women spend so much more money on hair products and beauty products than anyone else in this country(its hard to pin down figures but I once read that they account for 40% of the beauty “spend” each year, yet black people as a whole are only 12% of the population), and I hate to think of people feeling as though they have to spend money that they might not have (let’s be honest, times are tough for a LOT of people these days) to get a look that might just be impossible for them to achieve. If you see someone on this sight who has hair that you like, just because you imitate their regiment (whether it’s natural products or mineral oil), doesn’t mean you will ever have the same look, length, fullness, etc.

    • Rose 3 October 2011 at 10:46 am Permalink

      Back in the day when I used the petroleum laden products I had more hair …thicker, healthier and longer

      Today I’m happily incorporating some of the old products back into my regimen…

  2. Tosha 30 August 2010 at 10:59 am Permalink

    For all the discussion of hair types, length and products, I rarely see anyone talk about overall health. Any one of us can glop on products and still not see great results because of poor nutrition and health. Taking care of ourselves from the inside out generally affects our hair and skin. “All natural” on the outside does not make up for “all natural” on the inside. Veggies, fiber, water, etc and exercise can do much more than worrying about GOOD and BAD products. Plus the cost of some of these items is out of the range of many people. Read the labels, test things out on your hair and decide what works for you. Hey, I use S curl right from the grocery store and its just fine. It has glycerine just like all the homemade items and online items that are touted as “THE formula” for hair growth. “Do you” and leave the judgments out of the conversation.

    • Phedra 15 June 2011 at 1:01 pm Permalink

      I agree 100%

      I think genetics, diet, stress, & overall health affect your hair growth more than products.

      Look at other races, not all of them have the same hair or texture which is why there are so many different products for them. People are not healthy tend to have thinner hair overall from my experience.

      I believe nutrients from the earth will have the biggest effect on your ability to grow hair. There is no miracle product or regiment out there…and I refuse to spend $50 for a jar of curling custard.

  3. Faith 30 August 2010 at 11:08 pm Permalink

    I have to say that I have always been natural but damaged my hair with so bad practices. But I tried using all natural stuff an yet it left my hair crazy every time. My mom kept telling me I need to do what she did to my hair as a child an use the products she used an stop tryin to do all this other stuff cuz its not working. Of course, I told her no I cant use any of those old products plus I had purchased so many natural products that I felt silly if I didnt use them. But everything I tried left my hair brittle hard constantly tangled an not really moisturized despite the fact I was moisturizing like crazy. Nonetheless, I was having problems with my hair falling out so I finally let my mom take over my hair an she is using all the old school stuff an my hair is so much better. I just dont think everyones hair can handle the same stuff so if the old stuff worked for you then keep using it. I still wash my hair every week an do the necessary things to keep it healthy but I use old school products. Its not hurting my hair like the lady stated above an it is helpin because my hair is back to normal an growing daily!

    • Real RBN 24 August 2011 at 2:03 pm Permalink

      I having the same experience…..I’m going back to the old stuff and giving my natural friends and family my $50 puddings, smoothies, butters etc…

      • Dom 21 October 2011 at 8:44 am Permalink

        What Kind of products do you use?

  4. Inez 31 August 2010 at 7:52 pm Permalink

    “This is kind of a secondary issue, but I feel that people are also trading in the obsession with how long is your hair to how big/curly is your afro and how long did it take for you to get there. That has been a blog topic as well. And again, when you have no information, and haven’t seen your hair in a while, it’s understandable that you want some kind of benchmark, but my concern is that people will wonder why they don’t have waist length hair after a year or two and conclude incorrectly that they should be using one thing and not another (which may be true for them, but also may not be). Everyone’s hair is growing, but we all have different kinds of hair, different amounts of hair, and ultimately hair that grows at different rates or some people may just have hair that is more resilient and easier to retain as it grows out.” – Andrea T

    I’m glad you brought up the length obsession and the BAA obsession of many natural women. In the internet age everyone has the same few hair idols, celebrity or just a youtuber/forum user. Just because there is a girl on Youtube who uses excessive amounts of heat on her hair or is 4b and waist length, does not mean every natural woman can achieve that. There is one site that has made length its entire goal and I feel sorry for those paying their $$$ thinking that because a bunch of women on a forum say they can get to waist length, they can. They embark on a journey of complex regimens and methods, hop on and off bandwagons only to feel defeated and go back to relaxers when they realise they’ve been natural for 2-3 years often shorter and their hair is scraping ear length. Meanwhile they see women with looser textures or those who just genetically were designed to have longer hair getting to these apl, bra and waist lengths and being held up as hair idols by the rest. Many natural women are now brainwashed into thinking we can all be waist length if we just use product x, buy into brand y, do what (insert idol) is doing, protective style 365 etc etc ad nauseum.

    There is too much pressure and anxiety over reaching goals that are only attainable to the minority. Nor does it help to have women who naturally have always had long hair relaxed and now natural tell many (on shared forums) who have never had and will never have long hair that they can do it. Any negativity towards the ability to all be waist length is shot down and unwelcome on that site. People are bcing only to realise that they will not be bra strap by christmas and with shrinkage, their hair looks like a TWA again. They are too carried away with the story of that one girl who transitioned for 8 months and is now near shoulder length even though her hair stats, health and genetic make up is unknown to them.

    I’m tired of the mottos and mantras on forums which dodge issues at hand and convince vulnerable people that they too can have defined 4b (really?!)curls if they just scrunch kinky curly in a certain way or that they can get to waist length if they only believe. Every forum has its agenda which members must adhere to so people cannot say how they really feel and that leaves some naturals feeling unsupported whether it’s because of their hair type or inability to grow and retain like others.

    Being honest, I have extremely tightly coiled 4a/b hair, wearing my hair out will result in mammoth detangling sessions let alone froing it. I see many 3s and 4as with BAA and know that the manipulation they have to do and I have to do is very different. Most of those types are able to wash their hair loose (seen on many a youtube tut). I cannot. It is a massive taboo to claim that anyone has an easier time of natural hair care but let’s be honest, some types will grow to untold lengths with little exertion and some will with a lot of care and others never will. I wonder why everyone is made to feel that if they don’t have that BAA, those defined curls or that major length then as a natural they are whatever, not as worthy as the so called hair idols.

    This is not just about product propaganda and profiteering it is about the whole natural internet phenomenon that is happy to leave whole swathes of people behind feeling inadequate because they (and their hair) just don’t measure up.

    • TINA SMITH 4 September 2011 at 11:05 am Permalink

      are saying that not every one can be bra strap or waist length? i’m really confuse about your comment.i’m interested to know what website you are speaking of

  5. Anyaposh 1 September 2010 at 12:04 pm Permalink

    **APPLAUSE**

    I co-sign with everything in the last 3 paragraphs that Inez says. From a 4B sista, things are just different. And it’s OK to affirm this difference.

  6. Perkisha 2 September 2010 at 8:58 am Permalink

    I agree with the above posts. Everyone’s hair is different, and I find that the advice I get from other naturals even if they have the same hair “type/texture/look” as mine still may not work for my hair. I have hair idols as well, but often can’t follow thier regimens cause my hair does her own thang, and needs to be treated as such. Thinking about this and reading this post has got me thinking. I just complained in another post about my issue with getting the result from stretched styles. Perhaps going back to some of my old school products could help me have defined, weighed down (I have so much volume that sometimes I like it to be weighed down) stretched style. Does anyone have any suggestions for “ol skool” products that could work? Such as a brand of hair grease, Jam, etc….?

  7. Andrea T 2 September 2010 at 6:15 pm Permalink

    Well, as we’ve kept pointing out, everyone is different, but my favorite brands of old school grease are Ultra Sheen (the green is “greasier” I think), TCB, and B and B. More recently, a friend turned me on to Do Groo and it reminded me of the old school products too. Just like when i was growing up, grease is a bit trickier when it’s hot but is easier to deal with in winter. I just don’t like to have a lot of anything on my face or hair in the heat and humidity.
    Your hair may not stay straight because it just doesn’t want to, but hopefully you’ll be happy with the results that you get.
    I recently tried Eco Styler gel and it seems like an easy product to use that didn’t make my hair hard or tacky or dry or any of the things that I always associated with gel(I never used gel at all in the past on my natural hair or relaxed hair so I have no history with them at all and what the possible long term effects could be, but plenty of people featured on this site use Eco Styler and seem to be doing fine).
    Also another factor could be how your hair is cut if it is cut in a particular way.

  8. Thickums 3 September 2010 at 1:11 pm Permalink

    When i clicked on this blog and i saw the ultra sheen i almost passed out because i use it in my hair. Well i have used it a couple of times and all i could remember is my hair was ok. It’s a throwback product that i have no issue using because my mother used it in my hair. And from what i can remember my hair was thick and long back then until the relaxer. With all the new discoveries in natural and organic products on the rise it gives us a choice. As a therapist we learn mineral oils clog your pores and cause dryness quicker than other products that’s why baby oil isn’t good for babies and petroleum jelly also. With that being said the more knowledge we have we should utilize it even if its just in reference to hair. Doctors’ don’t go backwards once discovering new medicine they move forward! If they are people who are making these new organic discoveries for our hair lets use it so we can get where we need to be in our process!! MUAH!

  9. Adrianna Bell 14 December 2010 at 1:09 am Permalink

    I SOOOOOO….. agree with Andrea T! As a cosmetologist, I always say, Hair is going to grow regardless of what you use!!!! Greasing your scalp will not harm your hair. I have a friend who is faithful to so many product that she as become a product junkie! Your hair can grow down your back with shampoo, conditioner, grease and moisturizer! I have seen it happen. THERE IS NO SECRET TO GROWING HAIR!!!!!! I have been natural a year and my hair is exactly where it needs to be length wise, and in great shape. I havent cut my ends since I went bald a year ago. My hair looks great! I only use product when needed and I just let my hair grow! Just leave it alone! Before our generation (Im 21) and the generation before us, (my mother is 39), Black Women did not complete an “ingredient analysis” before using products, they put those fingers in the hair and worked them! Products are not what damage Black hair or any hair for that matter, improper care is and will always be the problem. Im stating, there is nothing wrong with products (u buy what u like) and there is nothing wrong with chemically treated hair. Just because a women is rocking a perm does not mean shes lost in the white society and still hasnt found her true beauty, it means she has made her choice! I think our Black women are missing the point today! Your “Black Beauty” is not defined now because you have the guts to wear your natural hair out! ugh! I got so frustrated reading this blog that I went wayyy off topic but my main point is, If we didn’t have laptops, forums, internet today. What would you put in your hair?

  10. Leanee 19 March 2011 at 10:51 am Permalink

    I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m tired of only using strictly natural ingredients and avoiding the ones that I’d like to use because they have mineral oil or petrolatum in them.

    I still prefer the less sticky feel of non-greasy products to greasy types, but I don’t mind using a little Perfect Results or Blue Magic. I use them sparingly (not globs of it), and since I wash my hair at least 1-2 times per week, the product doesn’t stay in my hair for more than a day or two.

    I think we need to use what works for our hair. There have been times when I’ve used all natural products and hated the way my hair looked and felt.

  11. Kenjah 19 March 2011 at 9:40 pm Permalink

    Personally, I’m not against using “grease” and old school products. I’m trying to figure out what I did when I was younger to achieve manageable hair pre-relaxer days. That’s hard to do being that I moved from Ohio to Florida. It’s all about what you are trying to achieve (manageability, moisture, hold), where you live (varying climates make a big difference on what’s effective) and your individual hair type. I’m not into the 4b/4c ordeal. Use what works for you and your purpose!!!

  12. Vicky 1 April 2011 at 2:34 pm Permalink

    I guess this really means that what matters is haircare practices and not products.

  13. Anita 19 April 2011 at 3:23 pm Permalink

    Let me first say that I love this blog site.I have been reading it for two days straight. I couldn’t wait to get on this morning, I have learned so much, but I was getting a little overwhelmed and discouraged because I relax and color my hair vs being natural. While avoiding any chemical on the hair will prove best for the hair; I dont want to go natural. It’s a beautiful look, but not for me. So I was glad to see that a lot of bloggers still rely on old skool products, and they use what works best for them. I want the best of both worlds. I want relaxed hair and I want healthy hair. Sooooo I will put into action a regimine of my own based off of the things that I have learned on bglh. First I will drink more water, take a multivitamin, eat more fish (omega 3′s), use the apple cider vinegar with mother and other herbs for a follicle cleaner, I am going to try the JASON conditioner, and I will continue to use BB on my scalp cause I LIKE IT…lol. Soooo Im mixin old skool hair care with some new skool hair care…and maybe just maybe I can have my cake and eat it too. This is a really awesome site. I feel like I have been hangin out with some real Sista friends. Thanks all.

  14. yanoui 2 September 2011 at 7:09 am Permalink

    I say different people , different habits, different opinions , different choices , different options , different techniques, different day, different results. Everyday you are unique. That is also why there are so many options, so you can go and find out what works for you and what you like best.

  15. Lashawn 1 November 2011 at 11:20 am Permalink

    I am 39 years old and have had problems growing my hair due to lack of knowledge. Frm Jerry Curls,to perms,braids,twist, to weaves…….you name it I had it. During my last pregnancy four years ago my stylist refused to perm my hair until I gave birth. Frustrated with her choice I began researching alternative hair styles I stumbled upon lace front wigs. Wore them during my entire pregnancy while my natural hair lie braided underneath. Six weeks after giving birth my stylist premeditated my hair and to our surprise it was shoulder length! MY NATURAL HAIR HAS NEVER BEEN SHOULDER LENGTH!!!!!! I WS SOO EXCITED……until it started falling out in clumps! My stylist tried to explain that my hair only grew that well because of the increased hormone levels due to the pregnancy! That rationale went in one ear and out the other. This is what actually put me on this natural hair journey! After 3 years of trial and error, you tube videos, and homemade ancestor inspired remedies I am back at shoulder length! And Nooo I’m not expecting!LOL So due to texture of my hair the old school petroleum based products only added weight to my hair and not growth because it provided no moisture to my dry tresses.

  16. Monet S. 7 November 2011 at 10:33 pm Permalink

    I remember using Ampro Pro Styl gel. It made my hair flake badly, especially the clear ice, so my mom had to mix water and vaseline with it.

    I wouldn’t go back to using the gel, I do like the curly custard but I have found ways to deal without it when there is a tight budget.

    Not sure if its considered old school but I love that Hollywood Beauty Tea Oil and I even figured out how to make my hair look straightened with it. <3

  17. Freckelz 16 November 2011 at 9:46 pm Permalink

    I had to get some tracks put in for a fashion show nov 11th and i used the glue remover stuff that was based in mineral oil, i have washed my hair atleast 15 times and it is still icky greasy and sticky due to the mineral oil…i hate it any advice on how to properly remove this gunk from my hair


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