By The Damn Salon

We frequently meet women who find themselves frustrated with the arsenal of products they’ve collected on their quest for curls. As with most things, The Damn Salon has an opinion about this and It is a simple one…

Curls do not come in a jar.

Kinky hair is in and of itself curly. If you have ever examined a “nap” closely then you may have already arrived at this conclusion. So, why are black women spending millions of dollars annually on puddings, creams, gels, sprays, and other concoctions that promise what they already have? It is absolutely possible to find products that will tame frizz, or define YOUR natural EXISTING curl pattern. But you will not find springy spirals in a jar, if you never had them to begin with, my dear.

Don’t fight nature, embrace it. Haute hair, begins with healthy hair. So, moisturize, moisturize, moisturize! Trim every 3 months. Choose protective styles whenever possible. Avoid heat like the plague. Once you have mastered these principles, explore styling options that work with your natural curl pattern. If your hair is very kinky, roll with it…literally. Styles like finger twists and comb twists will produce awesome lasting texture with ease. These styles also tend to look better as they age. Gently separate the twist after a few days for greater volume and variety.

If you have a looser curl pattern the tried and true two strand twist will elongate and unify your curls. The springy corkscrews can be worn for up to two weeks, depending on their size. Larger twists will show their age a little faster. Use a light oil, like The Damn Salon’s Peppermint and Tea Tree Hair Oil, when doing your twist out. You should enjoy natural spirals that age beautifully. If you have wavy hair, try Bantu knots. The knots alone are Avante Garde and exotic. When twisted out they will provide you with big bold waves. Think old Hollywood Glam.

I really love the message of this piece! Ladies, what do you think?

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I like the article and must admit that initially I was confused about my hair type when I went natural a few years ago. I haven’t had a relaxer on my hair in about 6 years…no heat in the last 3 and no braids in the past 1 1/5 years. I have naturally kinky coily hair. And people stop me to get the name(s) of the products that I use. Their usually disappointed because I don’t use any of the highly marketed products. My goal is to strengthen, moisturize and grow my kinky coily hair. Every now and then I… Read more »
Great article! And so important to say & keep saying, because the neverending chase to achieve the unachievable has discouraged many a person & kept them from embracing & appreciating whatever texture they naturally possess! I try to tell this advice to so of my friends/associates who are either newly natural or transitioning or thinking of going natural. There is no “perfect” curl pattern! Please don’t start off with that crap in mind or you will be sorely disappointed! And yes! A LOT, not all, but a damn big percentage of Black women with naturals are on a neverending quest… Read more »

I’ve been over Miss Jessies since I saw how they encourage their clients to get texturizers. Stuff cost too much anyway.


never really went looking for curls. because they’re just not there. one of the limitations of my hair. it can do a whole of other cool stuff though.


length though. whoooooo i go mad for it o_0


This was never my concern I like the nappy look of my hair i just wish i didnt have the tangling and the breakage. I think more naturals with 4xyz are more concerned with length more so than the texture.


I agree about desiring length too.Shrinkage really is a BEAST so it feel slike your hair isn’;t growing until you stretch it. 🙂


I must be one of a few naturals who was never in search of curls…too much to detangle.
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you betta WERQ! yasssss. I love this so much. Volume, thickness, that scarf. serving up some undefined realness up in herrr

ahem. anyways, I do see so many women fiending (?) for the perfect C curl. Not to loose, not too tight. Let’s stop playing goldiLOCS and the 3 textures and embrace what we have. The marketing for miss jessie’s is disgusting and the whole Mixed Chicks label irritates me based on the name alone. Give kinks a chance!

Wow, this is a really conversation and my feelings and sentiments have been all over this board. I have been natural since 2004 and I have done many styles, from fros to twists to curly weaves. Some points I definitely agree with: 1. A lot (not all) of people really do envy the curly naturals. I have a friend who I consider to have LOVELY natural hair…but because her hair isnt that wash-n-go curly Tracee Ellis Ross hair–she doesnt think it is good enough. My hair is a 4b/4c, so I know my hair will never be curly, but I… Read more »

I can tell you are gorgeous and your hair is fab!


would they say the same thing if you sported an undefined fro (still styled and well taken care of though)?

My hair has a big, less defined state which I love, but getting that kind of volume without damaging my hair seems impossible. I will continue trying things here and there, because I love big hair, and my hair has a surprising amount of volume without all the products. I have shared different things but in the end my hair did not like it. The only thing I can think if is that now that I am doing a low po hair regimen maybe I could try doing a heat dc first and then warming up a light leave-in like… Read more »
Crystal Waters

Most are paid advertisers. NikkiMae2003 aka NaturalChica has been a paid advertiser, starting with Miss Jessie’s Products, since the beginning of her sharing her journey. Be mindful that there are some that are paid advertisers and others who are sharing their journey, there is a difference.


On this same topic I am officially over the new phenom of “the curly girl method” Naturals are becoming PJ all over again to acheive this look that all the YT Gurus are pushing out there.. for marketing and pay out most likely!


Actually of all the natural hair trends, the curly girl method is the one I like although I haven’t tried it yet. The problem is a lot of those on YT have not read the book and are just doing too much. It is a very simple method that I may start using in the future. You simply wash the hair, condition, leave some conditioner in the hair, add some gel and you are good to go with very little manipulation to the hair.

Yes yes yes! I have long, long natural hair and I tried forever to get curly girl hair like waterlily or sun kiss alba. I began to realize that with my length and texture combo, it just can’t happen. Their hair might be long but mine is longer and some frizz just naturally comes with length. Rather than fight it, I have found ways that I discuss on my channel that help me bring out the best in my hair. As far as methods go, something can be taken from all of them, but following them to the letter, it… Read more »
Being naturaltomemeans hair eductaion.Unlearning all iknow and starting with a blank canvas. 🙂 The more more naturals the more info so that can ONLY be a good thing. We should focus on what unites not divide. I have kinky dry curls and my wash n go’s are simple they take 5- 10 mins.All i do is apply condtioner and rake through in sections and let it air dry! No all day madness and no diffuser.I simply like leaving my hair as it is curl or not with condtioner to moistures and i am happy.As my hair is dry i cant’… Read more »

I’m not going to criticize others for trying to obtain a certain look. The may not get what they’re looking for, but at least they’ve given up the creamy crack. One step in the right direction. All this talk about obtaining length and definition is the new relaxer is ridiculous and discouraging to potential natties.

There will always be women of any race who do not like what they have or were born with. Natural haired Black women are not immune to that nor are we more filled with self hate and a disdain for the ‘nappy’ than anyone else. No doubt, some of us do hold certain hairtypes in greater esteem than our own. That doesn’t mean that we ALL do, should we desire to try out different types of hair products. In other words, we are not all doing so because we want hair like “fill in the blank with name of your… Read more »

Zenith, I’m totally feelin’ you!

I follow everyone, I don’t discriminate on hair texture because I have learned from all of the lady’s and I admire the time they all put into the product reviews and making videos regardless of texture. Plus, I have 3c/4a/4B hair so for me,it’s helpful to see them all. However, tell that to Carol’s daughter who chose Taren an Elle of all the bloggers and vloggers on youtube, to represent natural hair, which I am totally happy for them, but they both have very nice hair, and from other commenters I read all the time who bring up the same… Read more »

Becky I totally agree, lets not get this twisted this curl definition debate goes back to what is deemed as GOOD HAIR…PERIOD!


I thought Solange Knowles (a beautiful woman with fully luscious Type 4 hair) was the featured spokesmodel for Carol’s Daughter. I didn’t realize that Lisa Price had changed her marketing campaign and placed the above mentioned ladies as the the featured spokesmodel. They are certainly beautiful too and have lovely hair. Lisa herself has a looser textured curl and I wonder if she feels partial to naturals whose hair more closely resembles her own.


Thanks again Anastasia!

Becky T
I am calling BullSh*t on this because the black natural hair community tends to focus on women with biracial or natural curly hair! So don’t be surprised if that is what most women going natural is looking for, THAT LOOK! And yes, they actually try to get curls in a bottle, which is the name of an actual product by the way! I can honestly say as a 36 year old woman, that is all I see on most natural webites is good hair, even most of our natural hair icons as someone stated, denimpixie (Elle), curly Nikki, etc, have… Read more »



That’s *real talk*!


sad situatuion,but I have to agree…most of the natural hair icons as well as the pictures posted on natural hair site showcase “good hair” and they are the ones who get the best reactions.


:/ ummm.


if you do nothing to combat that sort of insecure thinking, that’s when the story becomes real sad because you will pass your mindset to the future generations of your family.


Thought i was the only person who noticed that!! biracial; hair craze


So true. it’s not self hat when I say that I wish my hair were easier to manage. it just means I wish my hair were easier to manage.

One of the things I love abour being natural is the versitility that it provides. I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting curl definition, but I do agree that you have to be realistic about what your hiar cn do on its own. A woman with natural hair doing soemthing to enhance her curls or create a different curl/wave effect is no different than a woman with a relaxer doing a roller set. Its simply another style option in my opinion. For example, I love Trece Ellis Ross’s hair. I know my hair won’t do that, but I… Read more »
I like the intent of this article- to encourage acceptance of your own hairtype. I am happy to see more ladies being willing to grow their hair out in it’s natural state. I think the product explosion is due to the newness of it all and folks want to financially capitalize on it. It is natural that a certain amount of experimentation occur. I went natural 12 yrs ago and I remember buying tons of stuff at the time-just to experiment and see how a given product product made my hair feel- not to change my texture. I think we… Read more »

mwant to say’ watching our self-esteem grow’.

When I went natural in 1995 the only thing I knew for sure about my hair was that it would be NAPPY with a capital NAPPY. 🙂 I figured (perfectly reasonably, I might add) that if I’d had any other texture I wouldn’t have gotten a relaxer in the first place. Unlike some women who’ve been relaxed since toddlerhood, I didn’t get my first real relaxer until I was 12, so I knew what I had AND I knew it wasn’t like my classmates’ looser-textured hair. Turns out I was right…sort of. I still have yet to be accused of… Read more »
Thank you for this post. I wish it was posted many years ago. I am over the people with the so call wash n go styles that takes hours for them to prep and tons of product. I have never been that woman.. my hair is kinky and I love it — it is mines and it is unique. Be who you are and stop trying to be something that you are not. Like wit relaxers we want that European flare with this “curly hair” look we want the so called exotic look — Brazilan, Spanish mixed so forth and… Read more »

Omg you are so right on! My hair is too long for perfect curls, it wouldn’t have enough life and body! I know I have the option on occasion to gunk my hair down with products, maybe for a certain look or updo. But on a regular basis I love big hair that is adequately moisturized of course to prevent breakage.


This journey is about self dicovery and acceptance. The more we are at peace with ourselves, we can learn to be accepting of others. Afro hair is beautiful in all its textures. In the process we will experiment with products, but ultimately maintaining healthy hair is what’s important.


Interesting the photo, with this story was here yesterday has been replaced!?!?!


Yep, the photo has been replaced!


As long as we are progressing from perming and frying our hair then I don’t really care. Generally as women, we like to wear and experiment with different hair styles. Even women with looser curls wear twist- or braid-outs! My hair is more wavy than curly and I don’t like that my hair looks soo thin and limp so I’ll do a twist- or braid-out to give my hair a more thick and textured look. On the other hand, my sister has curly-kinky hair and she chooses to wear twist- outs to avoid tangling.


True! I wear twist outs to avoid singe strand knots and keep my hair tangle free-that is the primary reason. It has nothing to do with trying to “fake the funk” or enhance my curl pattern.


Me, too! It’s maintenance for me.

Why aren’t twist outs considered as creating curl definition? I admit I am a little obsessed with curl definition because as much as I moisturize my hair just soaks it up and stays dry. Those thick puddings work great on my hair because it stays soft longer. When I don’t use any of those products or twist outs I can barely part my hair while dry or even put it in a ponytail without spraying it first and I have loose 3b/3c curls. I’m definitely not ashamed of wanting them to be defined instead of being clumped because frankly I… Read more »
i consider twist outs texture definition…i think it’s to also escape undefined and/or frizzy hair like people like to do with curl definition. There are ALOT of naturals that don’t see undefined hair as a viable style to walk outside the house with. To many I know, it’s “unkempt” hair. This also goes for women with looser curls because some have frizzy poofy hair without the aid of some conditioner or gel. There’s no strong social movement or fashion trend defining natural hair like in the 70’s so we are seeing how women truly view their hair. (not just talking… Read more »

I think twist outs ARE considered curl definition. I’m personally not a fan of twist outs, braid outs, or any other outs. I think it’s too much of a manipulation to the curl’s basically faking the funk in my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion but like I said in my case not everyone can do wash and gos. Its very hard having to “wash” my hair everyday instead I do twist outs so I can just retwist at night. I’m not faking anything except the fact my hair is very normally dry and tangles easily and twist outs help me me retain moisture longer throughout the day. Its less about the look/pattern for me because I place random uneven ones all over and more about maintenance. & I say I’m obsessed with my hair having definition because I… Read more »
In my opinion wash and go’s are not great for length retention because your hair can gain a lot of split ends and single strand knots as it dries. For me they don’t really work. I would have to plop my hair for it to come out decently. I could never literally just wash and go, my hair would be unbelievably frizzy. But what I like to do is just a simple two French braids and then when my hair is dry I put water on the ends and comb it out dry. I personally prefer to wear it big… Read more »

I feel similar when I see twist outs on girls with kinkier hair. Their big and wavy twist outs always looked better to me then my flat stretched out curls. I don’t like my twist out until the second day, and now only use twist outs to do a stretched out style. I think sometimes we think the grass is greener on the other side. What helped me was looking at hair blogs from people with my hair texture, so I could be more comfortable with my texture.


i thought this site is called black girl with long hair. its nothing but so-called natural hair. honestly if your hair is yours its natural anyway. embracing all hair.


That was random. Lol


LOL!!! Random- My thoughts exactly!

Hmmm…the poster’s message reads as if she’s angry. It’s ok, really…it will be alright whatever you choose to do with your hair and if not, you’ll discover something that does work for you.


Are you upset because they are geared towards natural hair? & I’m pretty sure one of the captions of the website is Black Girl Long Hair: Celebrating the dopeness of natural hair. o_O

Uhm, wow yea guys that was random and made me bust out laughing! But I agree it was a pretty good read- however I feel that to each is own. People will always be ‘obsessed’ with something that they may not have had but attempt to get it by any means. There are some people who come from a family of overweight people but work their buts off to get in shape. I don’t see anything wrong with attempting to define your curls, but there is a time to realize that some options may not work best for your hair.… Read more »

Umm yeah! Buying hair would (technically) make it naturally yours too, but lending support to people who solely rely on artificial hair is not the purpose of this site either.

This site is geared towards black women who choose not to process their hair with chemicals that permanently change the texture. For now, this has been termed ‘natural’. The site does not act as a source of derision for ladies who make a different choice, but as a source of support. I believe it’s possible to embrace all hair and lend support to a subset at the same time.


Zenith wrote:

“This site is geared towards black women who choose not to process their hair with chemicals that permanently change the texture. For now, this has been termed ‘natural’. The site does not act as a source of derision for ladies who make a different choice, but as a source of support. I believe it’s possible to embrace all hair and lend support to a subset at the same time.”

AWESOME and well-said!!!


Thank you Anastasia!

Do what makes you happy with your own hair. “Noone can make you feel bad about yourself without your premission”-one of my favorite quotes. If curl creams work for you and you like the look-do you. I use them sometimes and sometimes I don’t. Some work better than others for me. I like to try different looks. I have been having a ball with my hair since I stopped relaxing it! I love the two-strand twist-I wear them in and I like them loose a few days later. I like the fro-look. Not everyone who uses products is trying to… Read more »
+1. I simply love the versatility of natural hair and refuse to limit myself based on the views of others. I will not be policed by either relaxed hair or natural hair folks. I love wash and gos, afro puffs, curly afros, flat twists, cornrows, etc. I use curl creams and gels because I like to enhance my curls at times. While other times, I just use natural oils and/or a leave-in when I am seeking a less defined look. Every now and then (a few times a year) I flat iron my hair for a different look. I do… Read more »
Samantha WH

Thanks for the article. I have tried NUMEROUS time to tell women that they cant get a product that will give them something they do not already have. the product will only enhance, not transform…unless of course, it is a RELAXER or COLOR.


I think until kinky curly hair is portrayed in the media and blogs just as regularly and complimented just as much as corkscrew and wavy hair, women will turn to “curls in a jar” as a means of achieving what is perceived as the standard of beauty for natural hair.

I actually don’t like the look of defined curls on myself. :/ I have medium sized curls and in the beginning I bought some eco-styler gel because I saw someone with my hair texture use it and have defined hair. Their hair was really long, so it looked really nice on them. My hair was short and when it dried, it was even shorter and I hated it. I have never tried to define my curls as a style again even though my hair is longer. It may just be my personality, but I like when my hair is big… Read more »

Good post, however just today I answered an email of how I get my hair curly. I got the “do you add oil” to make it curly? And if I see another “curl creme” or “Curly pudding” I”m going to *well, do nothing actually…lol*. But, it’s stil discouraging to see so many women who think that every one’s hair is extremly curly like Tracey Ellis Ross…


Yea, I gave up on getting my hair to do anything it doesn’t want to do. Twists and twist outs don’t work for me. Accept your hair and work with what you have.


i like using the tightly curly method. it’s worked on my hair like a charm! hopefully i can get the curls to last intact for up to two weeks because i’m trying to find a way of combating manipulation and the need to detangle.


I never knew I had cork-screw curls and waves until I stopped relaxing. NO PRODUCT WILL CREATE CURLS,WAVES, & COILYS!!
This goes back to that good hair debate, everyone is looking for that old fashion curly air referred to as good hair!!


I agree with this entire post! lol



People are like this with a lot of things. We see other folks with…curly hair, the newest fashion, the best cars..and we want it too. I still have jars of gel in my bathroom from the days when I tried to do wash n gos – wanting to have that perfect curl. I realized my hair wasn’t having it! It took a long journey to get to this place. But, it was a wonderful journey to have, since I learned about my hair in the process. I moisturize (not often enough), go longer than 3 months between trims, and rarely… Read more »

yes,this post definitely has a good message. Embracing your natural coils is the most important process of natural hair care maintenance. Once you do that and learn how to care for your hair, there are so many possibilities. And it is so true that curls do not come in a bottle or jar.

I been over (so over it!) definition but I understand the obsession. I have the advantage of being ahead of the curve because I began my natural journey in 1996 when the only product even close to our needs was Sebastian no.9 (terribly drying.) After discovering Kinky Curly a few years ago which turned my fuzz into something amazing I yea.. wore it out! Jars of the stuff. Now, I’m over it– now looking for intimidatingly big hair definition or not. Not a 70’s picked out fro-we did that already. I’m into modern, textured hair. Not kinky hair disguised as… Read more »
+1 Yes!!! I totally get what you are saying. I have been completely natural since 2000 and I , too , went through an evolving process- inc. the Sebastian phase. Lol! This ‘going natural’ phenomen is new to a ton of people all at the same time. Therefore, the product ‘madness’ is compounded by all the financiers who see an opportunity to make their fortune while the iron is hot. . . no pun intended! I can;t even imagine if I had all that’s available now when I went through the process back in 2000. BTW, your hair is fierce,… Read more »

+1 =)

THX! Ya’ll! I have to say I achieved more definition after moisturizing more. And products really are key. This debate has gone way beyond what I imagined as I’m sure you ^^ didn’t either all those years ago. For me versatility is key! Always has been! I love visiting the Dominican salon going bone straight for ‘holiday hair’ once a year, twist out, braid out, knot out, too-lazy-to-braid-it-at-night out! lol I have done it all. I love that my blonde (white) bestie envies my endless options. She even bought a crimping iron to diversify her straight hair! Seriously, don’t women… Read more »
Another long term natural. It was around 1993 when i decided the frying was no good for my hair and reverted to natural. Even before my jerry curl stage i experimented with braids and twist outs without all the products that are on the market today. I known for a long time what look or texture i’m able to achieve with my hair from pure experimentation and not something i’ve seen someone else doing cause there wasn’t anyone around me who was doing what i was doing. I’ve also had a good relationship with my natural hair, i guess i… Read more »
The author says “avoid heat like the plague” and the picture is of a lady with a blow out. 😉 I have 3c-4b hair and have never purchased products to try to “enhance” my curl pattern. Primarily because I don’t do wash and goes, and keep my hair in twists or a twist out all the time. Keeping my hair stretched keeps it tangle free and therefore less prone to damage and single strand knots. I also have begun to tension blow dry my hair on a low setting once a week when I wash. At first I was team… Read more »
I think you have to take the context of the article into consideration. Perhaps the woman in the picture doesn’t have a blow out, but natural hair without a curl pattern (thus the topic of the article). Also, if a person is already lamenting about having a lack of curls, then blow-drying or putting heat on their hair would kill whatever little curl they had, and so therefore in this instance, heat should be avoided “like the plague.” I don’t think the author of the piece was suggesting extremes. And if some naturals want to be “no heat” naturals, that’s… Read more »
The lady in the pic, India, actually has a hair blog along with her sisters that I follow, and I’ve seen her blow dry her hair and flat iron it. Also, she does have natural curls that are quite beautiful, as well as her sisters. And again blow-drying does not “kill” curls, excessive blow drying with improper technique does. I too don’t think that the author was suggesting extremes, but in MY opinion many naturals DO go to extremes when it comes to natural vs. commercial products, heat vs. no heat, etc. Of course every natural is entitled do do… Read more »
How do you not see the correlation. To some veganism is an extreme diet choice. But it is someone’s personal choice. There doesn’t need to be balance. Just as if someone want to never use heat (much like an vegan never eating animal or animal byproduct) or only finger detangle, that is also a personal choice. You were suggesting that everyone should “balance” what they do or what they advise. I don’t agree. If someone chooses an all or nothing approach, that’s their own business. I thought that was utterly self explanatory. I guess nuance is difficult for some people… Read more »

Well said.


Well said Landry, we are all entitled to our opinions!

“I too don’t think that the author was suggesting extremes, but in MY opinion many naturals DO go to extremes when it comes to natural vs. commercial products, heat vs. no heat, etc.” I agree, and this explains why I’m beginning to get sick of the “natural hair movement” and wishing that our hair was just hair. With that said, bcuz it’s not just hair, some of us forget that most women use products for their hair. Doesn’t matter the texture, I’ve know too many women with hair that is the opposite of mine (3c-4a) and they dye, perm, blowdry,… Read more »

I totally agree tiredofthebs! Who are was to point the finger at someone for “altering” their hair, when in all reality the only way to NOT alter your hair is to NOT touch it at all.


@Candice…Yes, that is a blow out, she has a facebook page with her natural sisters!


Thanks. I still don’t think the photo makes the advice any less true based on the context of the article.


You are right the photo has nothing to do with the story a picture of Maghony Curls, Naptural85 or CurlyNikki would have been more relevant to the story since they are the Natural icons, for most not all!


BGLH may not have the authority to post pictures of those specific women though. Copyright doesn’t disappear just because it’s the Internet.


The photo with this story has been changed, interesting..

I think a picture of a ‘hair icon’ (whatever that is) would only serve as a disservice to this article. First off, not everyone is in agreement or has reached a concensus about who reps them in re: hair issues. Secondly, even if such concensus was reached, the point of the article is to accept what you have, not strive to emulate someone else or look up to someone because of their hair type, style or views about hair. I realize that there are ‘sheep’ amongst us, but instead of encouraging a herd mentality, the article seeks to encourage individality… Read more »

Yesterday’s photo was of a natural icon, someone who is famous for their natural hair!

okay, check this website ya’ll>> Landry is both correct & incorrect when it comes to the damaging effects of heat on hair, whether natural, permed or naturally straight.. basically when we wet our hair the physical side bonds in the hair are loosened (thats why it hangs longer when wet) and when its dried w/ heat *(unless w/ a diffuser blowdryer or under a dryer)the point is to keep those physical side bonds from reforming into the natural curl (aka the tightness being restored). but unless it is chemically treated it is not permanent – based on my research.… Read more »
from the moment I decided to go natural I already knew I would not have loose springy curls but that did not deter me and I vowed not to try and “create curls”. I for one embrace my kinky frizzy hair.I just try to stretch it out a bit to avoid tangles on the ends but other than that I let it be.The older the style,the bigger,the better. I don’t know why, the idea of searching for curl defintition always made me a bit uneasy :/ (I don’t judge people for doing it…I just wouldn’t do it myself) This piece… Read more »

I understand the purpose of the post…to encourage natural hair women to embrace what was “naturally” given to them. That’s what it’s all about. But, Damn Salon, curls do come in a bottle. A “Synergi Thermal Mousse” bottle. TRY IT.


I’m sure this mousse, like any others, defines curls. I haven’t tried it yet, but i doubt that if someone with naturally straight hair, for example, used it, they would have curls.

“Naturally straight”? I don’t know?? But I do know, it works for woman that do not have a relaxer. I have been wearing my hair natural for more than 20 years. I am a medium maintenance woman and don’t find it “fun” to have to sit and twist my hair the night before to get it to look the way I want it. The less work the better. I have spent thousands of dollars on many many products for natural hair never being satisfied. Then, Synergi Mousse came along. I can use it when I decide to press my hair… Read more »

This smells of sales pitch from someone who works with the company, trying to sell people more products that won’t change their natural hair texture. Might be wrong, but this response goes exactly against what this article is about. We only have what we’re born with unless we process it. Curls do not come in a bottle, products can only tame or mildly enhance what we already have that is the point.

Annie L.

+1 Kaily on ‘sales pitch’


+1 on the ‘sales pitch’…UGH! TACKY.


I agree with this article 100% I stopped trying to find that perfect cream or pudding. I use what I have and embrace my hair, frizziness and all and I love it!


+1… I’ve grown quite fond of the frizzes too…lol. =)


Same here, Alexandra!


Great article. This is why I love seeing a natural with hair that isn’t too manipulated. I wonder if the search for the perfect curl is going to become the new “creamy crack”.


I’m afraid it already is…why do you think some many oooh and aaah’s over Naptural85 & CurlyNikki? One word: CURLS!!


I think the exact things about those 2 sites. Though I love them. It makes me so sad when my friends say they can’t go natural if they don’t have X hair type. It sucks.


Exactly Tiff, its sad, relax chick want length and naturals want curls and length ie GOOD HAIR! Whether they will admit it or not its the truth…it all goes back to having the so called GOOD HAIR!


Agreed. I am convinced that that is why Tracee Ellis Ross and Corinne Bailey are the most famous natural hair icons. Neither are type 4/kinky/nappy haired women. Yet when black women think natural, they think those two.


Absolutely and dont forget Naptural85!


Wait what?! Naptural85 is type 4. Her hair is healthy, thick, and beautiful that is why people oh and ah over it.

Ironically, you doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing.

This is true…it’s kind of like the unspoken secret that many women with type 4 kinky hair won’t admit. It upsets me when I see women give the glazed over look when they see a head full of curls. And then it also saddens me when I see the owners of these curls relish in the admiration — some are gleeful in the fact that they have “that type of hair”… knowing that many envy them. Sigh. Hey — I’m thrilled with my hair. Seriously! Now, do I love it all the time? 24/7 — 365 … absolutely not. And… Read more »

@Jane, what would that be? I dont classy hair so maybe that hair type ish is for someone else. I was referring to folks who are famous for natural hair and/or someone who have a large following ’cause of their hair!

Here is the comment you were agreeing with: ‘Agreed. I am convinced that that is why Tracee Ellis Ross and Corinne Bailey are the most famous natural hair icons. Neither are type 4/kinky/nappy haired women. Yet when black women think natural, they think those two.’ So for someone that doesn’t do all that type ish you certainly seemed hyped to agree with it and reclassify someone. Her hair is beautiful and admired, and beautiful and admired hair is and can be type 4. Stop putting your issues on other people. I am type 4 and love my coils, but also… Read more »
I have to agree with Jane “beautiful and admired hair is and can be type 4.”–there are many naturals with type 4 hair, iknowlee and xgolden to name a few, who have type 4 hair and have a large following on youtube. Both offer many hairstyles, educational information, and tutorials that have been very helpful to me and many others. Also I think it is an incorrect assumption to say that most naturals prefer and/or desire looser textured hair or “good hair” as “B” referred to it. I’ve been natural for about 8 months since big chopping and rarely has… Read more »

+1 Beautiful hair comes in all textures and types. I admire both type 3 and 4 categories alike.

If memory serves me correct, Naptural and Corinne both have type 4 kinky hair! Corinne manipulates her curl pattern by wearing braid-outs/twist-outs/roller sets. Naptural is a Type 4a (her hair is coily/curly). Neither are in the Type 3 range. Do you guys know what a Type 4 truly look like? Not all Type 4’s are rocking an afro, but that does not mean they are not a Type 4. I would love to see the day when naturals learn to love their own unique hair texture and stop focusing on other people’s curl pattern. It’s time for Black women to… Read more »

Ah no, Sera2455 exudes self esteem but I have yet to see her face plastered anywhere. Like someone else said, black women have gone from coveting the straight hair of other race women to the curly hair of biracial women (generally speaking of course). It’s not about confidence, it’s about still wanting what people identify as ‘good hair’.


@EG exactly!!!!


If memory serves me right, both Tracee & Corrine are both biracial. What about Macy Gray, Erykah Badu, or pre-relaxer Jill Scott? Neither of them are biracial.


Just because someone is biracial does not automatically mean that their hair cannot be classified as a Type 4. I know plenty of biracial men and women that have kinky, not curly hair! On the other hand, there are plenty of Black women who have wavy and curly hair. So…what’s your point?

B, I want long hair just to my shoulders, why, not because it is good hair but so that I can put my hair in a ponytail and leave the house if I need to. Having shoulder length hair means for me that I can do curly styles (bantu knot outs, twist outs) and the length of my hair will weigh down the hair so the curls relax a little and look better. Although I admire Kimmay and Haircrush their length I’d hate to have hair that long. I rarely use Kinky Custard to define my curls as I’m happy… Read more »
I totally agree! When I went natural and discovered Youtube and hair blogs, I was personally shocked at what to me seemed to be a mimicking or emulating of mixed or biracial girls’ 3b/3c hair! I thought I was alone in thinking, “These Black women are trying to look mixed instead of looking like themselves!” If you have to do all that to get curls then your hair is not truly “perfectly” curly. There are naturals using all kinds of puddings, shingling, cremes – etc. And the prices – whoa! Who has that kind of money to spend or all… Read more »
+1 And I think the ‘curl chase’ whether it’s over-doing it w/ henna (for often professed ‘conditioning benefits’- yes that’s fine, but 3-4x week- REALLY?? We all know what’s up with that-Anywhoo…) or supposed “curl-inducing” products, and the need for some to constantly manipulate the hair to form curls is the new ‘creamy crack’. Not personally against any of these methods or tools, but one will save money, stave off frustration, and add time to one’s schedule just by accepting and properly loving (moisturizing, etc) what’s growing out of one’s scalp- That’s true freedom and true acceptance of self. But,… Read more »

+1000 I think the hustle on ‘curl cream’ is just sickening. And folks who buy it in hopes of making curls pop is just misguided. water will make your curls pop — so if water is free, why are you paying X amount of $$ for some durn cream? Slap some oil and gel on that and call it a day!

And I’m gonna have to co-sign you to infinity, girl. I didn’t go natural to stress over products and spend 30 dollars a pop for a little jar or bottle of curl cream. Sooooooo happy I never hopped on those bandwagons. I rock the cheapie gels (one full of glycerine for moisture, and the other that gives hold) and my crinkly curly coils pop just as well as the folks’ who use the other expensive creams. Also, I’m not trying to go above and beyond with a “wash and go.” I wash my hair, apply my product in no more… Read more »

@ladyluo I think you might be right. This curl business has turned into a multi million dollar quest for black women. Even though many more of us are natural, we are still letting the media and western ideals of beauty rule over good reasoning. The desire for mixed girl hair has replaced the desire for straight hair. I guess its a step in the right direction but Black women need to just love themselves as they are. Period.


What is ‘mixed girl’ hair?

I keep saying it, those that claim there is a problem are the problem.


Have you seen the models that advertise mixed chicks?


@Jane, are you seriously trying to pretend that the natural community does not promote loose curls instead of kinks? Are you seriously trying to tell me that we are lying when we say that society is still stuck on the ‘only some people should go natural?

@Dava, you are absolutely correct, why do you think the miss jessie motto is to transform the curls you have to the curls you want?……theirs?


I feel this is going to get ugly. Just a feeling.

I think if you do have curls, power to you if you want to define them, but, if you don’t have them, don’t beat yourself up trying to find a product that will miraculously give you curls. Some people believe that they have to have every individual curl defined, and that can be a real downer to those that just don’t have hair like that. Find something that works for your hair type and just work with it.

/steps off soapbox




I really like this article because “we” as women with naturally curly hair were always taught to get rid of it damaging our hair in the process and if we embraced our roots the whole time…..we all would have flowing curly hair….thanks for the encouraging words; I think I will start to embrace my curls more and more and not heat it away..