Den­zel Wash­ing­ton recent­ly sat down with BET reporter Smri­ti Mundhra to dis­cuss his new film Fences. And while the vet­er­an actor is known for drop­ping pearls of wis­dom in the press, he han­dled a ques­tion about col­orism in Hol­ly­wood with sur­pris­ing cal­lous­ness. When Mundhra first posed the ques­tion, Wash­ing­ton said he didn’t know the mean­ing of col­orism.

Smri­ti Mundhra: So there’s a lot of talk about col­orism in Hol­ly­wood, espe­cial­ly as it relat­ed to –
Den­zel Washin­gon: Col­orism?
SM: Col­orism
DW: What does that mean?
SM: Um, you know, favor­ing of like per­haps lighter skinned peo­ple ver­sus dark­er skin
DW: Oh, racism with­in the race
SM: Exact­ly
DW: You mean from the out­side in? Or from with­in?
SM: Um, I think maybe both ways? And espe­cial­ly as it relates to actress­es, dark­er-skinned actress­es, and I’m curi­ous to know do you feel that there’s an equiv­a­len­cy with actors with peo­ple of col­or, actors feel­ing that way, like there’s a cer­tain type of look that’s favored in the indus­try, or is it hard­er on women.

Wash­ing­ton begins by point­ing to Vio­la Davis’ crit­i­cal­ly acclaimed role in Fences as evi­dence that there is work in the indus­try for dark-skinned women. 

“One of the best roles for a woman of any col­or in the last, in a good good while or def­i­nite­ly of any movie that I’ve been in, a dark-skinned woman has in this film. So as long as you’re being led by out­side forces or just being reac­tionary then you won’t move for­ward. You have to con­tin­ue to get bet­ter.”

But things dete­ri­o­rate when Wash­ing­ton sug­gests that age, lack of tal­ent and lack of prepa­ra­tion are more like­ly cul­prits for dark-skinned women being unable to secure Hol­ly­wood roles. 

“Like Troy [Washington’s char­ac­ter in Fences], maybe you were just too old. You can say, ‘Oh I didn’t get the part because they gave it to the light-skinned girl’, or you can work, and one day, it might take twen­ty years, and you can be Vio­la. The eas­i­est thing to do is to blame some­one else, the sys­tem. Yeah, well, there’s a pos­si­bil­i­ty, maybe, that you’re not good enough, but it’s easy to say it’s some­one else’s fault. But there’s a pos­si­bil­i­ty that you’re not ready and you can still blame it on some­one else instead of get­ting ready.

Vio­la Davis came up through the the­ater. She’s a great stage actress. So what­ev­er col­or you are, what­ev­er hue you are, are you get­ting bet­ter while you’re wait­ing? Are you get­ting bet­ter while you’re com­plain­ing? Are you get­ting bet­ter while you’re not get­ting cast in what appears to be the light-skinned pret­ty role because you’re the dark-skinned girl? Well then go get on the stage and keep get­ting bet­ter. You have to grow, you can’t wait for your time to come and go, “Oh now final­ly!” And now you’re not ready. If you’re gonna run in the Olympics you got­ta train for years. You can’t keep say­ing, “Well it’s just cause they’re dis­crim­i­nat­ing.”

You can watch the video here.

Washington’s com­ments are sur­pris­ing because they seem to con­tra­dict what he’s said in the past.

At a 2012 Hol­ly­wood Reporter actor’s round­table, Wash­ing­ton ful­ly acknowl­edged the pres­ence of col­or dis­crim­i­na­tion in Hol­ly­wood, stat­ing that his dark-skinned daugh­ter Olivia, who is an aspir­ing actress, would have to work hard­er than oth­ers to excel. At the time his daugh­ter was 21 years old.

“I tell my daugh­ter — she’s at NYU — I say: “You’re black, you’re a woman, and you’re dark-skinned at that. So you have to be a triple/quadruple threat.” I said: “You got­ta learn how to act. You got­ta learn how to dance, sing, move onstage.” That’s the only place, in my hum­ble opin­ion, you real­ly learn how to act. I said: “Look at Vio­la Davis. That’s who you want to be. For­get about the lit­tle pret­ty girls; if you’re rely­ing on that, when you hit 40, you’re out the door. You bet­ter have some chops.”

Though Wash­ing­ton ref­er­enced Davis in his BET inter­view, she has cer­tain­ly not kept qui­et about the role col­orism has played in her near­ly 30-year career, stat­ing just last year that the ‘paper bag test’ is “still very much alive” in Hol­ly­wood, with tal­ent­ed dark-skinned actress­es often offered roles as “crack addicts and pros­ti­tutes.”

“…the paper-bag test is still very much alive and kick­ing. That’s the whole racial aspect of col­orism: If you are dark­er than a paper bag, then you are not sexy, you are not a woman, you shouldn’t be in the realm of any­thing that men should desire… And in the his­to­ry of tele­vi­sion and even in film, I’ve nev­er seen a char­ac­ter like Annalise Keat­ing [Davis’ char­ac­ter in How to Get Away With Mur­der] played by some­one who looks like me. My age, my hue, my sex. She is a woman who absolute­ly cul­mi­nates the full spec­trum of human­i­ty our askew sex­u­al­i­ty, our askew mater­nal instincts. She’s all of that, and she’s a dark-skin black woman. Some peo­ple who watch TV have acknowl­edged that and under­stand that. But I encour­age you to search your mem­o­ry and think of any­one who’s done this. It just hasn’t hap­pened. I hear these sto­ries from friends of mine who are dark-skin actress­es who are always being seen as crack addicts and pros­ti­tutes.”

Black peo­ple are often crit­i­cized for talk­ing about struc­tur­al racism, and char­ac­ter­ized as lazy and lack­ing per­son­al respon­si­bil­i­ty for point­ing out the ways it affects them. The com­mon belief seems to be that we can­not ver­bal­ly protest racism and col­orism while simul­ta­ne­ous­ly tak­ing action against them. We can do one or the oth­er, but nev­er both. Still, many of the black women in Hol­ly­wood who have spo­ken about the lack of diverse black rep­re­sen­ta­tion are the very ones who are cre­at­ing new roles and shat­ter­ing glass ceil­ings.

Still Davis — the first black woman to win an Emmy for Lead­ing Actress in a Dra­masaid in a 2015 inter­view that she won’t stop talk­ing about col­orism, even though peo­ple are tired of hear­ing it. 

“When peo­ple say they’re tired of hear­ing that, I always say, ‘Okay, well, you give me an exam­ple [of progress] and then I’ll stop talk­ing about it. But I’m gonna talk about it until you hear it.”

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I get what Den­zel is say­ing. And to be nest, I’d rather be Vio­la than Halle. At the end of it all, Halle will not have an impres­sive body of work. She is great­ly lim­it­ed as an actress because her looks let her get by with less effort.
Vio­la is bril­liant in every role, she becomes the char­ac­ter, you can imag­ine her dif­fer­ent char­ac­ters inter­act­ing with each oth­er. She’s in a league of her own.


I get what Den­zel is say­ing. And to be nest, I’d rather be Vio­la than Halle. At the end of it all, Halle will not have an impres­sive body of work. She is great­ly lim­it­ed as an actress because her looks let her get by with less effort.
Vio­la is bril­liant in every role, she becomes the char­ac­ter, you can imag­ine her dif­fer­ent char­ac­ters inter­act­ing with each oth­er. She’s in a league of her own.

lady doll
You see I under­stand why this young lady is doing this mag­a­zine I’ve been notic­ing for years how the boxs (TV) is try­ing to make the dark skin dis­ap­pear how all the women that use to be dark are now clay women and men I say clay because that is what they look like now that they have removed the Mel­lon from their skin to me that’s real­ly sad I no that these peo­ple have been brain washed into think­ing that is the way to be the old say­ing the dark­er the berry the sweet­er the juice is real­ly a… Read more »

[…] with dark­er skin tones) was hold­ing back dark­er-skinned Black actress­es in Hol­ly­wood. As BGLH reports, Wash­ing­ton was ini­tial­ly con­fused about what col­orism was, ask­ing the inter­view­er, Smri­ti Mundhra, […]

Seri­ous­ly What is wrong with all of you all. he gave a GREAT answer. We need to stop look­ing at race and col­or. By always look­ing for def­i­n­i­tion and why we are being dis­crim­i­nat­ed is uphold­ing racism. Den­zel is RIGHT. All he is say­ing, if you want to achieve some­thing you just have to work hard for it. If dis­re­gard the col­or of your skin you will see that you will be more focused on achiev­ing what you want. I preach this ALL the time and I am dark­er that Vio­la Davis and I have achieved every­thing today in my… Read more »
High­light­ing that dis­crim­i­na­tion exists is not uphold­ing racism. That is the most idi­ot­ic asi­nine thing I have ever heard of Black peo­ple work hard. They are more like­ly to work mul­ti­ple jobs or to work while going to col­lege. Dark skinned black women espe­cial­ly are dis­crim­i­nat­ed against. If I have to work 3 or 4 times as hard to make it, that’s a prob­lem. That’s like ask­ing me a bas­ket­ball play­er to win MVP or a cham­pi­onship on a bro­ken or sprained ankle. Pos­si­ble but not like­ly. The dark skin women I know have spent their entire lives being spo­ken to… Read more »

One more point: God made all of us in sev­en days, decid­ing when we would be born, where we would be born and what we would look like; so we know He made no mis­takes. Satan because of his enmi­ty with God sep­a­rat­ed us and made us see our­selves as sep­a­rate races of vary­ing hues. Anythig that con­tin­ues that line of sep­a­ra­tion must be chal­lenged for it is god not man that is our only cre­ator and life force. So yes stand up and chal­lenge racism and any oth­er ism that sep­a­rates us from God!!!


True beau­ty is found in the heart of the one who made us. God loves us as He made our col­or. Look to Him as every­day He reminds me that I am dark skinned because He loves the part of me that looks just like him. He loves the child that resem­bles her father. So do not let this world define your beau­ty for as God says such is fool­ish talk. Love you God so much!!!


I don’t see the issue, because the ques­tion wasn’t posed cor­rect­ly it was just a gen­er­al­iza­tion about the indus­try. Mr. Wash­ing­ton ques­tioned the inter­view­er about what they were try­ing to ask because it was just gen­er­al. Is the inter­view­er ask­ing about Col­or-ism w/n the black com­mu­ni­ty, or racism with­in Hol­ly­wood. I get a sense Wash­ing­ton sees col­or-ism as an issue w/n the black com­mu­ni­ty and racism a prob­lem with­in Hol­ly­wood just say­ing.




I must be the only black woman who nev­er saw the appeal of Den­zel Wash­ing­ton.

Give me Jesse Williams of Grey’s Anato­my all the way. And TJ Holmes of CNN.


That’s okay. Maybe Den­zel just isn’t your type. Noth­ing wrong with that.


Nope. My moth­er is right there with you.


The fact that he didn’t know the mean­ing of the term col­orism is unset­tling. But to say that peo­ple who feel aggriev­ed should stop com­plain­ing is insult­ing! We should always voice our con­cern and dis­plea­sure over being mis­treat­ed. Isn’t that how doors were opened for him?? The mantra of every­one should be to work hard­er as a per­son­al eth­ic!


I guess that’s why he didn’t win that Gold­en Globe ..#shade I thought of this inter­view as soon as he didn’t win.


I need him to explain peo­ple like Bey­once and Rhi­an­na get­ting major roles. Is that because they are exep­tion­al actress­es? I think he got lost under the illu­sion of inclu­sion myth that so many get sucked into when they become suc­cess­ful. To the point that…he stopped look­ing at the obvi­ous things going on around him.


One rea­son — in addi­tion to col­orism — that Bey­once and Rihan­na get act­ing roles is because they have a large and devot­ed fan base that will go see them in a movie, just because they are in it. 

Hol­ly­wood is all about mak­ing mon­ey. They know the Bey­hive will come out to sup­port Bey­once, so it increas­es her chances of get­ting a role.


And what helped to bol­ster their careers and that fan base? Not singing alone.?

zanalies .



Den­zel got to be the heart­throb for black women and white so he’s not the author­i­ty on col­orism. Men tend to be obliv­i­ous and now that black men are sought after by all races they for­got the strug­gle, IMO. He makes valid points but it’s kin­da 50/50 for me. You def­i­nite­ly need to get bet­ter but it’s still very pos­si­ble that you’ll be passed up for a lighter girl. I’m tired of the top­ic too so how about every­body act right and stop this non­sense.


Den­zel nev­er once but the words dark skinned and pret­ty togeth­er , he only men­tioned it when talk­ing about light skinned girls! I get where he is com­ing from say­ing thaat you need to work while you wait, but he can­not just gen­er­al­ize and say dark skinned women do not get role because they are bad actors, that is a ridic­u­ous state­ment !


Alfre Woodard is a pow­er­ful actress. I guess she didn’t/ doesn’t work hard enough by his point of view.

Susie Dean

I hAve a “light daugh­ter”( by her dad) an a choco­late by my now hus­band. An he’s nev­er giv­en them an excuse not to suc­ceed. Den­zel is cor­rect as a dark woman you must work even hard­er. S choco­late con­sid­ered ” exot­ic” what­ev­er that means. Still had to work triple hard to get to where I am. You know the “ele­phants” in the room. But that doesn’t mean you can­not acknowl­edge it!


This arti­cle is ter­ri­bly mis­lead­ing. Den­zel nev­er said col­orism doesn’t exist. Den­zel was sim­ply say­ing there comes a point in time where we have to stop blam­ing col­orism for not being suc­cess­ful or where we want to be, which is very true. Hell yeah col­orism exist but we as a peo­ple have always had to work 10x hard­er to be great. Medi­oc­rity is not an option for us.
This is exact­ly why I get annoyed when white mediocre artist are com­pared to our greats. Our icons are great for a rea­son because they had to be.

Kendra Sawyer

Thank you!!!! I want­ed to stop read­ing the arti­cle when the girl tried to explain col­orism. Who? What? When he said Col­orism? I was ?

I sus­pect his response would have been dif­fer­ent if he was being inter­viewed by a white reporter from, say, Enter­tain­ment Week­ly. But this was BET, so he may have skipped the obvi­ous and went straight to the what are we going to do about it part.  One could read his response to BET to be more like, “Psst, hey black peo­ple who read/visit BET, I know we know what’s up, and let’s be real — the sys­tem blows, so you got­ta bust ass. Com­plain­ing about it doesn’t get you very far. Work as hard as you can, because that’s the only… Read more »
zanalies .

Inter­est­ing per­spec­tive. Valid point.

ticha st.fleur

Den­zel knows what the term col­orism means.I dont know.… i feel iffy about his response because there are alot of dark skin actress­es with tal­ent but are still over­looked for major roles.Viola is a one of those actress­es that have a lot tal­ent but she had to knock on more doors than the light­skin actresses.But at the same time you have to bet­ter your­self and work 10 times hard­er because only your work eth­ic is going to change your progress,the com­plaints wont change a thing.

Exact­ly, right. And yes, he knows good and well what col­orism means. But in com­par­i­son to ANY black actress, my guess is that Den­zel has not had to deal with this issue as much. You know Hwood only allows about 1 or 2 black men at a time to be the “IT” guy.…and for years Den­zel has almost ONLY been their man. He was IT. If there was going to be black male lead, it was Den­zel. So I don’t see him hav­ing to bat­tle skint tones with the likes of.….I can’t even think of anyone…Will Smith lat­er, Michael Ealy… Read more »

Dis­ap­point­ing response? In fact it sounds like a smart response from a very smart man. Get over it, the days of blam­ing race for every­thing are com­ing to a close. Always the left with it’s obses­sion with made up ISMS.


Not buy­ing his state­ment of not know­ing what col­orism is! He gave a typ­i­cal fence-strad­dler response that showed he was more con­cerned about pro­tect­ing his own inter­ests than telling the truth about the enter­tain­ment indus­try which he has first hand knowl­edge of! His stock just went down for me!


Yes and all of know the ele­phant in the room is that a dark skinned actress does have to work hard for a role that peo­ple will nev­er con­sid­er for sim­ply because they see a lighter skin actress in that role. Call it what it is. We are still under the paper bag sys­tem of selec­tion. Oth­er­wise we would have had more dark­er skinned actress­es and enter­tain­ers in all realms. You skin col­or nev­er dic­tat­ed your tal­ent. EVER!!!!!


He didn’t say that.

G.l. Tibbs

I like Den­zel, BUT why is he the author­i­ty of col­orism as it relates to actress­es? Per­haps ask Vio­la.


Ok, I think the title of this is mis­lead­ing. He’s not say­ing it doesn’t exist. He’s say­ing that Because it exists, you have to work 10x hard­er if you want a spot. He’s not cod­dling or giv­ing a feel-good response. At the end of the day, these things are true, life aint fair. But you can’t use that as an excuse to stop mov­ing, to stop pro­gress­ing. You got­ta keep mov­ing for­ward.

I don’t agree. I think the arti­cle is a direct response to what he actu­al­ly said not what you’re inter­pret­ing him to say. I’m sure he THINKS he is say­ing try hard­er but in actu­al­i­ty he is dis­miss­ing the rea­son peo­ple HAVE TO try hard­er. Den­zel said: “The eas­i­est thing to do is to blame some­one else, the sys­tem. Yeah, well, there’s a pos­si­bil­i­ty, maybe, that you’re not good enough, but it’s easy to say it’s some­one else’s fault. But there’s a pos­si­bil­i­ty that you’re not ready and you can still blame it on some­one else instead of get­ting ready.”  We’re… Read more »
My rebut­tal is with­in your response. From your own quote Den­zel said: “there real­ly isn’t a lot of oppor­tu­ni­ties and roles giv­en to peo­ple that look like Vio­la. That is a larg­er prob­lem not an indi­vid­ual prob­lem. Viola’s “spot” is already tak­en so hol­ly­wood is very like­ly going to look over oth­er peo­ple like her and pass on them for some­one that looks more ambigu­ous, light skinned, main­stream, appeal­ing etc.” He’s lit­er­al­ly acknowl­edg­ing that there is a dichotamy between dark/light expe­ri­ences. But instead of Chastis­ing a biased indus­try (because it IS THEIR indus­try at the end of the day). He gives an… Read more »

Respectabil­i­ty pol­i­tics.
Inter­nal­ized racism.

These uphold the oppres­sive stan­dard they don’t chal­lenge them.


I was about to write some­thing VERY sim­i­lar. I feel like the title’s mis­lead­ing too.

Robinson Kyeshia


I don’t know… I think that he could’ve used bet­ter word­ing, but I think his point is that any­one, no mat­ter what col­or, who relies on looks is at a dis­ad­van­tage… espe­cial­ly in Hol­ly­wood. Add on top of that the notion that his­tor­i­cal­ly, that women of col­or no regard­less of hue have to be on point and do more to get half as much. I don’t think he’s nec­es­sar­i­ly deny­ing that col­orism exists, but instead that they should focus on what will move them for­ward… and Vio­la Davis is just an exam­ple that it is pos­si­ble. Racism/predjudice isn’t going any­where… Read more »
I like his response.…I am tired of the com­plex­ion game. Tru­ly sick of it.…I am a black woman peri­od. We have to fight no mat­ter what hue we are with­in the shade of black. We fight with­in and we bat­tle out­side. There is approx­i­mate­ly over 3000 vari­a­tion of black­ness when it comes to our skin. I love Angel Bas­sett and Halie Berry and I don’t care about there skin colour… or Hat­tie or Lena. We must stop this unpro­duc­tive talk… For one rea­son… it dimin­ish­es our tal­ent, our worth. I root for my sister’s not their colour. And we are bril­liant at… Read more »
It doesn’t mat­ter if you’re light or dark, the roles for black women pale in com­par­i­son to those avail­able to white women. This is large­ly due to the fact that black actors usu­al­ly have non black women as their lead­ing ladies. Den­zel, Will, Jamie, etc are all guilty of this many times over. They claim this is due to the need to cross over and reach a broad audi­ence but big stars like Will and Den­zel have already crossed over. Peo­ple of all races come to see their movies no mat­ter who else is in the movie with them. To… Read more »

Except for like two of Denzel’s movies all his lead­ing ladies are black. Except for about three or four or Will Smith’s movies all his lead­ing ladies are black also.

La Bandita

Den­zel and Will each faught to have Black lead­ing actress­es. The first thing the main stream media want to do is replace the Black women with a White Lati­na and replace the Black kids with mixed raced kids. Cer­tain­ly replace the black lit­tle girl with a mix race child and leave the son dark or brown skin. The fam­i­ly nev­er match­es.


I’m not feel­ing his answer, sor­ry. He should’ve giv­en that dang AWARD back. That year was tru­ly an insult..Smh The black women have to deal with col­orism and racism..FREEFORM is a plat­form for white young actress to break into the indus­try.

*Look at Alfre Woodard! She does not get the recog­ni­tion she deserves, he can miss me.


Den­zel is just show­ing his age. Sor­ry. He can’t com­pre­hend that indeed hon­ing your craft, work­ing hard­er, longer, bet­ter and etc. being a neces­si­ty for dark­er skin actress­es, while oth­er actress­es can coast on being light-skinned is indeed prob­lem­at­ic.

It hap­pens to the best of us.


Based on his years of expe­ri­ence in Hol­ly­wood and pri­or com­men­tary, I think that he under­stands col­orism. This may have been a missed oppor­tu­ni­ty Also, I do under­stand the point he is mak­ing. Col­orism exists but tal­ent is a fac­tor also. Work twice as hard.

The fact that peo­ple STILL believe our progress is only a mat­ter of work­ing hard is an indi­ca­tion that noth­ing has changed. These racist impli­ca­tions: black peo­ple are just lazy, they just don’t work hard like whites, is the go2 smoke­screen line for deniers, enablers,& racists. Denzel’s advan­tage as a man despite being old­er and black is a fact he will not acknowl­edge because he wants to keep work­ing in White Hol­ly­wood. Any black man who talks to their dark-skinned daugh­ter the way he does has NO busi­ness dis­cussing the strug­gles of black women. Good luck to Den­zel get­ting a… Read more »
La Bandita

Maybe this is he real point. Black and White men shouldn’t talk on these issues until they are bet­ter edu­cat­ed. White men cre­at­ed the issue so of course they dont want to acknowl­edge and Black men ben­e­fit so they want to keep it alive.


I com­plete­ly agree with Den­zel, there’s noth­ing that you can change in indus­try by com­plain­ing. The only thing you can do is get bet­ter and bet­ter, I don’t under­stand why that’s dis­s­a­point­ing, maybe because its real­i­ty. I’m an aspir­ing actress, and if I have to work hard­er and be bet­ter than so be it, but I’m not let­ting any­one else dic­tate my path but me.

I feel like his com­ments aren’t any dif­fer­ent than what he said to his daugh­ter in 2012…the same thing my moth­er has been telling me my whole life… you are a dark skinned girl and so you’ll have to be 1000x bet­ter than the rest…work hard­er.… be smarter  when every­one else is mediocre… there comes a time when your tal­ent can­not be denied… I will say black men can be less empa­thet­ic with this issue…not to say it doesn’t hap­pen to them (hell its root­ed in our his­to­ry) but with soci­ety plac­ing so much empha­sis on beau­ty it tends to hit… Read more »
I have to say, what Den­zel was say­ing sort of sound­ed to me like one of those hyp­o­crit­i­cal 90s speech­es dur­ing those years where mul­ti­cul­tur­al­ism was on the agen­da in Amer­i­ca, the same mul­ti­cul­tur­al­ism they retract­ed from in the 2000s where they start­ed re-seg­re­gat­ing and act­ing like black peo­ple out­side of black pro­duc­tions (or the “black uni­verse”) didn’t or bare­ly exist­ed. It’s the type of speech where they blame every­thing on the oppressed instead of the sys­tem that oppress­es them. I wounder what kind of racial views he inter­nal­ized to be able to accept and not crit­i­cize the fact that… Read more »

Not to men­tion that his roles might just dry up if he bites the hand that feeds him. The Hol­ly­wood sys­tem feeds him and not black actress­es so who else is he going to put the blame on?

He could have sim­ply said that cut­ting it in the movie indus­try is hard peri­od, and that with the num­ber of roles avail­able for women of col­or they have to work that much hard­er and keep try­ing no mat­ter what shade they are. No one would have been offend­ed. There was no need to bring down the peo­ple who are dis­crim­i­nat­ed against in that indus­try. Lack of tal­ent, and con­nec­tions exists every­where and that will deter­mine whether you make it or break it but the num­ber of good roles and high-bud­get movies does affect the vis­i­bil­i­ty of women of col­or… Read more »